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Nope, Nope, Nope. France wanted to have nuclear weapons. Germany wasn't allowed to have them and we mostly didn't want to have them in any case (after WWII at l

Nope, Nope, Nope. France wanted to have nuclear weapons. Germany wasn't allowed to have them and we mostly didn't want to have them in any case (after WWII at least). Germany's nuclear infrastructure was just as "sustainable" (and that is a strange word for nuclear industry considering the investments, the mining, etc) as the French one, but smaller and entirely civilian.

LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
> entirely civilian ...Hrrm... There has been a strange clustering of Leukemia in children near Geesthacht, with much fuss about why that could be, and that it can't be at all related to the NPP Krümmel and adjoining research center there. There has been a tv-documentary by the ZDF in 2006, titled "Und keiner weiss warum... Leukämietod in der Elbmarsch" a few articles in the mainstream media, and some blogposts then. From my memory it was all very strange, much hush-hush by the local government, defamation of concerned citizens, and even stranger the burning up of evidence in of all possible places, a fire station involved several times with emergencies there. By random chance...imagine.... ( https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuk%C3%A4miecluster_Elbmarsch#M%C3%B6glicher_Brandvorfall_am_GKSS_1986 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuk%C3%A4miecluster_Elbmarsch... / https://www.atommuellreport.de/daten/detail/forschungszentrum-geesthacht.html https://www.atommuellreport.de/daten/detail/forschungszentru... / https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/geesthacht-labor-bestreitet-verbotene-atom-experimente-1.885955 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/geesthacht-labor-bestrei... / https://netzwerk-regenbogen.de/atomgk070413.html https://netzwerk-regenbogen.de/atomgk070413.html ) Also harassment and hampering of scientists which collected ground samples all over the area, and found no lab willing to examine them in all Germany. So they got it done in Minsk, Belorussia. Funny, isn't it? What was found there where so called 'spherules', not bigger than one millimeter, hollow ceramic spheres, with (meanwhile?) weakly radioactive matter in them. Obviously artificial. And unknown. Speculation ensues. Micronukes... Conspiracy!1!! Interestingly very similar stuff was also found in Hanau. ( www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/hanau-ermittlungen-wegen-radioaktiver-stoffe-im-wald-a-195069.html ) Whatever, call me sceptic regarding 'civilian'. Especially when the names of Kurt Diebner and Erich Bagge are involved :-)
- bayesian_horse 4y ago
  Germany doesn't have the capacity to keep anything secret for long. We're a lot worse than the US in that regard, and even they can't keep such things secret. There were never even rumors anybody wanted a nuclear weapons program. No dark funds. The IAEA is also controlling everything. So yes, any such speculation is ridiculous.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
    Is it? Then what about a the witness seeing a green-yellow flame rising up there during the night, from the other side of the river? Drunken with Jägermeister, or what? And so much more. Some points are listed in the german wiki-article I linked. I tend to think about that sort of ridiculing the other way around. As ignorance. Oh, also Franz Yussuf Strauß, err... https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Josef_Strau%C3%9F https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Josef_Strau%C3%9F https://taz.de/Franz-Josef-Strauss-und-die-Gelueste-auf-eine-Atombombe/!1876587/ https://taz.de/Franz-Josef-Strauss-und-die-Gelueste-auf-eine... https://www.spiegel.de/geschichte/kalter-krieg-als-die-us-armee-gegen-strauss-mobilmachte-a-951020.html https://www.spiegel.de/geschichte/kalter-krieg-als-die-us-ar...

LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago

> entirely civilian ...Hrrm... There has been a strange clustering of Leukemia in children near Geesthacht, with much fuss about why that could be, and that it can't be at all related to the NPP Krümmel and adjoining research center there. There has been a tv-documentary by the ZDF in 2006, titled "Und keiner weiss warum... Leukämietod in der Elbmarsch" a few articles in the mainstream media, and some blogposts then. From my memory it was all very strange, much hush-hush by the local government, defamation of concerned citizens, and even stranger the burning up of evidence in of all possible places, a fire station involved several times with emergencies there. By random chance...imagine.... ( https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuk%C3%A4miecluster_Elbmarsch#M%C3%B6glicher_Brandvorfall_am_GKSS_1986 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuk%C3%A4miecluster_Elbmarsch... / https://www.atommuellreport.de/daten/detail/forschungszentrum-geesthacht.html https://www.atommuellreport.de/daten/detail/forschungszentru... / https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/geesthacht-labor-bestreitet-verbotene-atom-experimente-1.885955 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/geesthacht-labor-bestrei... / https://netzwerk-regenbogen.de/atomgk070413.html https://netzwerk-regenbogen.de/atomgk070413.html ) Also harassment and hampering of scientists which collected ground samples all over the area, and found no lab willing to examine them in all Germany. So they got it done in Minsk, Belorussia. Funny, isn't it? What was found there where so called 'spherules', not bigger than one millimeter, hollow ceramic spheres, with (meanwhile?) weakly radioactive matter in them. Obviously artificial. And unknown. Speculation ensues. Micronukes... Conspiracy!1!! Interestingly very similar stuff was also found in Hanau. ( www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/hanau-ermittlungen-wegen-radioaktiver-stoffe-im-wald-a-195069.html ) Whatever, call me sceptic regarding 'civilian'. Especially when the names of Kurt Diebner and Erich Bagge are involved :-)

bayesian_horse 4y ago
Germany doesn't have the capacity to keep anything secret for long. We're a lot worse than the US in that regard, and even they can't keep such things secret. There were never even rumors anybody wanted a nuclear weapons program. No dark funds. The IAEA is also controlling everything. So yes, any such speculation is ridiculous.
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
  Is it? Then what about a the witness seeing a green-yellow flame rising up there during the night, from the other side of the river? Drunken with Jägermeister, or what? And so much more. Some points are listed in the german wiki-article I linked. I tend to think about that sort of ridiculing the other way around. As ignorance. Oh, also Franz Yussuf Strauß, err... https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Josef_Strau%C3%9F https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Josef_Strau%C3%9F https://taz.de/Franz-Josef-Strauss-und-die-Gelueste-auf-eine-Atombombe/!1876587/ https://taz.de/Franz-Josef-Strauss-und-die-Gelueste-auf-eine... https://www.spiegel.de/geschichte/kalter-krieg-als-die-us-armee-gegen-strauss-mobilmachte-a-951020.html https://www.spiegel.de/geschichte/kalter-krieg-als-die-us-ar...