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In 2021 the remaining (!) 6 power plants produced more electricity than all installed solar capacity. The nuclear waste storage is not solved because it is a p
by JanSt 3y ago
In 2021 the remaining (!) 6 power plants produced more electricity than all installed solar capacity.
The nuclear waste storage is not solved because it is a policy not to solve it.
On all metrics coal is more damaging and dangerous than nuclear.
- bayesian_horse 3y agoPoliticians are accountable by voters and voters object to have nuclear waste stored near their homes. Even those who don't think it's a problem and believe the scientists who say "this will never be a problem" (and they don't exactly say that, do they?) know that their property values will suffer. Putting coal as the alternative to nuclear power is not just a mistake, it's an entirely dishonest argument trying to fool people.
- soco 3y agoBut coal is the current alternative to nuclear power. A day may come when solar and wind will be, but it is not this day.
- bayesian_horse 3y agoThat's just a big fat lie. Even in Germany, the country you malign so much, coal power generation did not increase in the last few years. Not even when transitioning from Russian natural gas.
- soco 3y agoYou may need to delete your comment, will you? https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/energy-crisis-fuels-coal-comeback-germany-2022-12-16/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/energy-crisis-fu... (note: in 2020 coal energy in Germany was 20.4% which the above article doesn't mention)
- bayesian_horse 3y agoYes, I'm slightly wrong on a three-month time period last year. The numbers I had were for complete years... Still doesn't negate my point that coal is going to be phased out and that coal generation wasn't ramped up as nuclear power was ramped down. There is just no clear relation.
- JanSt 3y agoI grew up very close to a coal power plant. Guess what, that is many times more dangerous than storing nuclear waste. I don‘t think I have ever heard anyone say they would rather live close to a coal plant. Why is it a mistake or dishonest? That is the reality: Germany already powered many coal plants back up to replace gas and nuclear. Now it will take even longer to get rid of coal.
- bayesian_horse 3y agoThen learn to read a chart. You are either lying or getting your facts wrong. Less coal plants have been reopened than have been shut down before. Yes, the plan was to get rid of coal sooner, the Ukraine war made that harder. Actually some more lignite coal got burned last year in order to compensate. But we're going to get rid of those coal plants a lot sooner than if we were to build a couple new nuclear power plants which would commit us to a few more decades of that technology and all the associated problems.
- JanSt 3y ago„Um die akute Gaskrise im vergangenen Sommer zu bekämpfen, sind insgesamt 14 Steinkohle-Kraftwerke und ein Mineralöl-Kraftwerk wieder reaktiviert oder entgegen ursprünglicher Pläne nicht stillgelegt worden. Das geht aus einer Übersicht der Bundesnetzagentur hervor. Alle betroffenen Kraftwerke sind nach wie vor am Markt“ https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/steinkohlekraftwerke-gaskrise-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/steinkohlek... With 6 nuclear power plants that could be a lot less
- bayesian_horse 3y agoYes, doesn't negate my point. Coal is not the alternative to nuclear power and saying so is a big fat lie, the correlation is just not in the data. People like you dishonestly want to fool people into believing each terawatt hour not generated by nuclear power is compensated by one terawatt hour generated from coal. Because it's lazy and convenient and some people are stupid enough to believe it.
- PurpleRamen 3y ago> In 2021 the remaining (!) 6 power plants produced more electricity than all installed solar capacity. How does that matter? Solar is not the only source of renewable energy for Germany. 2021, Germany got 42% of its energy from renewable sources, 2022 it already grew to 46%, and 2023 it grows even more. And those numbers are only so "low" because of political reasons and stupid people. For over a decade the conservative and corrupted sabotaged the progress of renewable energies in Germany. This changed, partly because the government shifted, but to a strong part also because of Russia becoming a problem that not even the corrupted could ignore anymore. The progress since last summer in Germany is incredible, and it won't stop.
- JanSt 3y agoIt matters because within a year 20 years of solar power build-up were nullified in terms of low emission capacity
- PurpleRamen 3y agoI'm not sure what you mean. Solar power has significant shorter emission amortization than 20 years. I think ATM we are at 2-3 years? And solar plants can usually run far longer than 20 years. And still, how does solar relate to nuclear, when solar is not the only solution for replacing nuclear?
- JanSt 3y agoThis is not about amortization but about low-emission capacity
- PurpleRamen 3y agoThen please explain a bit more than just throwing around some words.
- JanSt 3y agoPlease reread my comments