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I hear this reasoning often but never see it being applied in practice. For starters why are single sex sports and single sex changing rooms so controversial?

I hear this reasoning often but never see it being applied in practice. For starters why are single sex sports and single sex changing rooms so controversial? Similarly if gender and sex are entirely distinct. Does that not mean that the trans community is the strongest supporter of traditional gender roles? Afterall what does it mean to change gender if differing social attitudes to gender ought be extinguished?

cantSpellSober 4y ago
Locker rooms? You see these exact talking points copy and pasted a lot, do they relate to this specific article?
- psychphysic 4y ago
  The article brings it up quite early on. It's introduction and parallel with sex means the article makes a wider point about a difference between sex and gender. I agree this article could have been written better without any mention of gender so as to avoid making an out of scope claim in a pop sci article.
  - cantSpellSober 4y ago
    Where does it mention locker rooms or "the trans community is the strongest supporter of traditional gender roles?" Did you read the article?
- seti0Cha 4y ago
  Please stop using the "that's a talking point of the enemy" dismissal tactic. It's lazy and harmful to actual discussion.
  - cantSpellSober 4y ago
    Stop paraphrasing me, it's lazy and harmful to actual discussion. I pointed out why it's irrelevant.
    - gatlin 4y ago
      You asked a pointed question.
tekla 4y ago
>For starters why are single sex sports and single sex changing rooms so controversial? It denies the different "gender roles" > Does that not mean that the trans community is the strongest supporter of traditional gender roles? Um yes? That's been a sticking point for quite a while.
mantas 4y ago
> For starters why are single sex sports and single sex changing rooms so controversial? Because men are much stronger physically due to genetical differences. Just check out top records in various sports.
- paulddraper 4y ago
  You're in violent agreement.
  - mantas 4y ago
    [flagged]
ptring 4y ago
I think you may enjoy this classic text on the topic, it explores these questions in quite some detail: https://janiceraymond.com/the-transsexual-empire https://janiceraymond.com/the-transsexual-empire (That page has a link to download the PDF if you're interested, but also here's a taster in the form of a book review at the time it was published: https://www.nytimes.com/1979/06/10/archives/male-and-female-created-he-them-transexual.html https://www.nytimes.com/1979/06/10/archives/male-and-female-....)
throwaway675309 4y ago
Seriously? If you have single sex sports, then there's a disproportionate representation among the sexes. If you can only televise the top 100 athletes in a given sport how many of that percentage do you think will be male versus female?

cantSpellSober 4y ago

Locker rooms? You see these exact talking points copy and pasted a lot, do they relate to this specific article?

psychphysic 4y ago
The article brings it up quite early on. It's introduction and parallel with sex means the article makes a wider point about a difference between sex and gender. I agree this article could have been written better without any mention of gender so as to avoid making an out of scope claim in a pop sci article.
- cantSpellSober 4y ago
  Where does it mention locker rooms or "the trans community is the strongest supporter of traditional gender roles?" Did you read the article?
seti0Cha 4y ago
Please stop using the "that's a talking point of the enemy" dismissal tactic. It's lazy and harmful to actual discussion.
- cantSpellSober 4y ago
  Stop paraphrasing me, it's lazy and harmful to actual discussion. I pointed out why it's irrelevant.
  - gatlin 4y ago
    You asked a pointed question.

tekla 4y ago

>For starters why are single sex sports and single sex changing rooms so controversial? It denies the different "gender roles" > Does that not mean that the trans community is the strongest supporter of traditional gender roles? Um yes? That's been a sticking point for quite a while.

mantas 4y ago

> For starters why are single sex sports and single sex changing rooms so controversial? Because men are much stronger physically due to genetical differences. Just check out top records in various sports.

paulddraper 4y ago
You're in violent agreement.
- mantas 4y ago
  [flagged]

ptring 4y ago

I think you may enjoy this classic text on the topic, it explores these questions in quite some detail: https://janiceraymond.com/the-transsexual-empire https://janiceraymond.com/the-transsexual-empire (That page has a link to download the PDF if you're interested, but also here's a taster in the form of a book review at the time it was published: https://www.nytimes.com/1979/06/10/archives/male-and-female-created-he-them-transexual.html https://www.nytimes.com/1979/06/10/archives/male-and-female-....)

throwaway675309 4y ago

Seriously? If you have single sex sports, then there's a disproportionate representation among the sexes. If you can only televise the top 100 athletes in a given sport how many of that percentage do you think will be male versus female?