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> but the Pixel is a success and it doesn't make sense to compare a high-end line of products on a per-unit basis to cheapo phones Compare it to high end produ

> but the Pixel is a success and it doesn't make sense to compare a high-end line of products on a per-unit basis to cheapo phones Compare it to high end products then, and you'd still come up short. There's also the reason why I pointed out "in the context of Google, and Google products": it's a tiny product made at great effort and expense that Google clearly doesn't know what to do about (they haven't even supported their own phones for more than three years until recently).

muyuu 4y ago
compare it to high-end lines and Google is #3 in some markets and #4 in others, which is unmitigated success companies don't get to #3 or #4 in some of the most lucrative sectors in the world and then just decide to close shop because they're not #1 or #2 there are a bunch of profitable companies that ONLY make money in Pixel's sector, are recognised brands and they are already behind the Pixel in market share it's essentially like being Rolex in the watch business (number 1 or 2 in profit depending on market) and just closing shop because Casio sells 1000x+ more watches
- walls 4y ago
  When there are really only 3-4 high end phones that's not a great ranking.
  - muyuu 4y ago
    but there are many more almost every major brand has essentially their flagship and most do worse than the Pixel Asus, Xiaomi, Huawei, Sony, Vivo, Oppo, Motorola, OnePlus, etc etc all have high-end phones only Apple and Samsung are doing better than Google Pixel
    - illiarian 4y ago
      Again, you're clumping all pixels into one category. Even if major Pixel sales seem to be coming from the relatively cheap Pixel 6a. https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/21/consumers-are-splurging-on-premium-smartphones-amid-tough-economic-conditions-report-says https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/21/consumers-are-splurging-on... "While both Honor and Google’s share of the premium smartphone segment more than doubled in 2022 from 2021, they still only account for around 1% of the pie, so they are still significantly smaller players." Behind Apple, Samsung, Huawei, and Xiaomi. To put it in perspective: Pixel was launched 6 years ago which replaced Google Nexus, launched 13 years ago. It's a very minor product that Google has been pouring money into with little to no effect.
      - muyuu 4y ago
        last time I researched into it last year, Google Pixel was already the biggest division in hardware for Google in terms of profit (above Nest and Home) and had better-looking numbers in profitability than all the main players in hardware except Microsoft - and that included Apple for the first time since Google killed Stadia and perhaps has no chance at the console business, it strategically looks like a terrible idea to exit the mobile hardware division, but again, with Google you never know the image Google has created around having essentially no commitment to any business lines makes it hard for them to enter the console market with longer cycles, but doesn't hurt them as much in the mobile market as phones are replaced often anyway PS: Pixel is just Google's newer mobile hardware brand, for me there is no real difference with Nexus in that respect - just a rebranding
- illiarian 4y ago
  > compare it to high-end lines and Google is #3 in some markets and #4 in others, which is unmitigated success Define: High end Define: "some markets" Also: Pixel isn't one phone. It's Pixel 7 Pro (premium) and Pixel 7 (sorta medium) and Pixel 6a (cheap) Also: We're talking about Google, 80% of whose revenue comes from online advertisement. Spending a lot of effort on a relatively low-volume hardware product that may be some number in some markets is not nearly enough to guarantee long-term viability of the product. I'm surprised Google has stuck by Pixel (given the very spotted history of the phone) at all.

muyuu 4y ago

compare it to high-end lines and Google is #3 in some markets and #4 in others, which is unmitigated success companies don't get to #3 or #4 in some of the most lucrative sectors in the world and then just decide to close shop because they're not #1 or #2 there are a bunch of profitable companies that ONLY make money in Pixel's sector, are recognised brands and they are already behind the Pixel in market share it's essentially like being Rolex in the watch business (number 1 or 2 in profit depending on market) and just closing shop because Casio sells 1000x+ more watches

walls 4y ago
When there are really only 3-4 high end phones that's not a great ranking.
- muyuu 4y ago
  but there are many more almost every major brand has essentially their flagship and most do worse than the Pixel Asus, Xiaomi, Huawei, Sony, Vivo, Oppo, Motorola, OnePlus, etc etc all have high-end phones only Apple and Samsung are doing better than Google Pixel
  - illiarian 4y ago
    Again, you're clumping all pixels into one category. Even if major Pixel sales seem to be coming from the relatively cheap Pixel 6a. https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/21/consumers-are-splurging-on-premium-smartphones-amid-tough-economic-conditions-report-says https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/21/consumers-are-splurging-on... "While both Honor and Google’s share of the premium smartphone segment more than doubled in 2022 from 2021, they still only account for around 1% of the pie, so they are still significantly smaller players." Behind Apple, Samsung, Huawei, and Xiaomi. To put it in perspective: Pixel was launched 6 years ago which replaced Google Nexus, launched 13 years ago. It's a very minor product that Google has been pouring money into with little to no effect.
    - muyuu 4y ago
      last time I researched into it last year, Google Pixel was already the biggest division in hardware for Google in terms of profit (above Nest and Home) and had better-looking numbers in profitability than all the main players in hardware except Microsoft - and that included Apple for the first time since Google killed Stadia and perhaps has no chance at the console business, it strategically looks like a terrible idea to exit the mobile hardware division, but again, with Google you never know the image Google has created around having essentially no commitment to any business lines makes it hard for them to enter the console market with longer cycles, but doesn't hurt them as much in the mobile market as phones are replaced often anyway PS: Pixel is just Google's newer mobile hardware brand, for me there is no real difference with Nexus in that respect - just a rebranding
illiarian 4y ago
> compare it to high-end lines and Google is #3 in some markets and #4 in others, which is unmitigated success Define: High end Define: "some markets" Also: Pixel isn't one phone. It's Pixel 7 Pro (premium) and Pixel 7 (sorta medium) and Pixel 6a (cheap) Also: We're talking about Google, 80% of whose revenue comes from online advertisement. Spending a lot of effort on a relatively low-volume hardware product that may be some number in some markets is not nearly enough to guarantee long-term viability of the product. I'm surprised Google has stuck by Pixel (given the very spotted history of the phone) at all.