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psychlops 4y ago
Ah, an unwanted kiss. I think, in the real world, spilling some (warmish) coffee on someone is a reasonable retaliation for an unwanted kiss. Once it enters the bureaucracy then they get called assault and require disciplinary action.
- jonahrd 4y ago
  Where do you read that it's an "unwanted kiss"? Maybe I'm just missing it, but I've looked through this article 3 times and can only see it referred to as a sexual assault.
  - psychlops 4y ago
    In this article: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-26/stanford-soccer-player-katie-meyer-wrongful-death-lawsuit https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-26/stanford... "The university defended its response to the alleged sexual assault on Meyer’s teammate — described as an unwanted kiss — by saying the incident was reported to its Title IX office, which decided against moving forward with an investigation, and local police."
    - chasd00 4y ago
      How does the university have authority to decide to go to the police or not? I'm always confused when people report crimes against them to a church, school, or some other organization and then the organization decides not to engage the police or legal. The victim is just suppose to shrug and say "oh well, i guess i'm just out of luck!". The victim should go straight to the police and report a crime was committed against them. At least leave it up to actual investigators to make a decision if a crime was committed or not and not some third party with motive to sweep it under the rug.
      - alexb_ 4y ago
        >The victim should go straight to the police and report a crime was committed against them. At least leave it up to actual investigators to make a decision if a crime was committed or not and not some third party with motive to sweep it under the rug. You might as well be telling a victim to send their case to /dev/null. We have all of these awful systems as band-aids on the real problem - that of police being completely non-functional in their current state.
        porkbeer 4y ago
        Nothing works if you don't try. At least then there would be formal documentation from an independent party.
- bumby 4y ago
  I made another comment about this elsewhere, but this fact is interesting in the context where Jonathan Haidt’s perspective on the changes on college campuses. His idea is that it’s an outgrowth of an overly concerned culture of safety that trains kids to think of themselves as fragile. An extension of this is that they expect relatively small differences to be mediated by third parties rather than learning to resolve it themselves. It should go without saying that this is a superficial connection on my part without knowing all the details of the encounter.
  - psychlops 4y ago
    That is certainly part of it. Consider another angle...once a structure like that comes into existence, people will weaponize it. Any slight can be reported to campus authorities and the perpetrator gets to deal with months of severely worded paperwork.

psychlops 4y ago

Ah, an unwanted kiss. I think, in the real world, spilling some (warmish) coffee on someone is a reasonable retaliation for an unwanted kiss. Once it enters the bureaucracy then they get called assault and require disciplinary action.

jonahrd 4y ago
Where do you read that it's an "unwanted kiss"? Maybe I'm just missing it, but I've looked through this article 3 times and can only see it referred to as a sexual assault.
- psychlops 4y ago
  In this article: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-26/stanford-soccer-player-katie-meyer-wrongful-death-lawsuit https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-26/stanford... "The university defended its response to the alleged sexual assault on Meyer’s teammate — described as an unwanted kiss — by saying the incident was reported to its Title IX office, which decided against moving forward with an investigation, and local police."
  - chasd00 4y ago
    How does the university have authority to decide to go to the police or not? I'm always confused when people report crimes against them to a church, school, or some other organization and then the organization decides not to engage the police or legal. The victim is just suppose to shrug and say "oh well, i guess i'm just out of luck!". The victim should go straight to the police and report a crime was committed against them. At least leave it up to actual investigators to make a decision if a crime was committed or not and not some third party with motive to sweep it under the rug.
    - alexb_ 4y ago
      >The victim should go straight to the police and report a crime was committed against them. At least leave it up to actual investigators to make a decision if a crime was committed or not and not some third party with motive to sweep it under the rug. You might as well be telling a victim to send their case to /dev/null. We have all of these awful systems as band-aids on the real problem - that of police being completely non-functional in their current state.
      - porkbeer 4y ago
        Nothing works if you don't try. At least then there would be formal documentation from an independent party.
bumby 4y ago
I made another comment about this elsewhere, but this fact is interesting in the context where Jonathan Haidt’s perspective on the changes on college campuses. His idea is that it’s an outgrowth of an overly concerned culture of safety that trains kids to think of themselves as fragile. An extension of this is that they expect relatively small differences to be mediated by third parties rather than learning to resolve it themselves. It should go without saying that this is a superficial connection on my part without knowing all the details of the encounter.
- psychlops 4y ago
  That is certainly part of it. Consider another angle...once a structure like that comes into existence, people will weaponize it. Any slight can be reported to campus authorities and the perpetrator gets to deal with months of severely worded paperwork.