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> Katie supposedly spilled coffee on a Stanford varsity football player who assaulted a friend of hers (he got to play out the season, and was never disciplined

> Katie supposedly spilled coffee on a Stanford varsity football player who assaulted a friend of hers (he got to play out the season, and was never disciplined). Stanford knew that Katie was struggling after she was brought into Stanford’s byzantine and draconian student discipline process. On the last day, or actually the evening of the last day Katie could be disciplined, Stanford sent an email to her saying they were placing her diploma on hold three months short of graduation, and proceeding to a disciplinary hearing. Her parents claim she could have lost her student status, her membership on the soccer team, her captainship of the team and other benefits of a Stanford degree. This really doesn't make sense. It's difficult to believe that spilling coffee on someone else resulted in a formal disciplinary action.

ta2304130835 4y ago
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- quonn 4y ago
  Can you explain what you mean by that?
- Bran_son 4y ago
  I was unable to find pictures of either, only Katie Meyer. Could you point me to these pictures?
prepend 4y ago
For me, it’s not just that. It’s that they chose to investigate spilled coffee (which is assault although the police weren’t involved so makes me think it didn’t warrant their assault label) reported not by the student but by a third party who claimed to witness it, but did not investigate the sexual assault charges against the coffee spillee. So Stanford is selectively investigating seemingly spurious charges against weak people rather than more serious charges against powerful people. So it’s a pretty cruel systemic bullying. And seems to reinforce my perception (perhaps wrong) that it’s a bullshit system that just wants to stay active and not actually do anything.
- psychlops 4y ago
  Where did you read that it was a sexual assault?
  - colpabar 4y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/24/katie-meyer-stanford-lawsuit-soccer-death https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/24/katie-meyer-...
    - psychlops 4y ago
      Ah, an unwanted kiss. I think, in the real world, spilling some (warmish) coffee on someone is a reasonable retaliation for an unwanted kiss. Once it enters the bureaucracy then they get called assault and require disciplinary action.
      - jonahrd 4y ago
        Where do you read that it's an "unwanted kiss"? Maybe I'm just missing it, but I've looked through this article 3 times and can only see it referred to as a sexual assault.
        psychlops 4y ago
        In this article: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-26/stanford-soccer-player-katie-meyer-wrongful-death-lawsuit https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-26/stanford... "The university defended its response to the alleged sexual assault on Meyer’s teammate — described as an unwanted kiss — by saying the incident was reported to its Title IX office, which decided against moving forward with an investigation, and local police."
        chasd00 4y ago
        How does the university have authority to decide to go to the police or not? I'm always confused when people report crimes against them to a church, school, or some other organization and then the organization decides not to engage the police or legal. The victim is just suppose to shrug and say "oh well, i guess i'm just out of luck!". The victim should go straight to the police and report a crime was committed against them. At least leave it up to actual investigators to make a decision if a crime was committed or not and not some third party with motive to sweep it under the rug.
quonn 4y ago
If the coffee is hot, I would argue it is worse than beating or slapping. So I'm not so surprised. On the other hand the consequences should in any case be limited since people can do some physical harm in a fit of rage.
- stuartjohnson12 4y ago
  If the coffee is hot enough to burn or scar, you've got a case that is far, far more serious than a disciplinary action could possibly encompass.
  - cpwright 4y ago
    The university and a Kangaroo court should not be involved in either of these cases, we have real police and courts for that.
- dgb23 4y ago
  Getting burned by a hot liquid like coffee can lead to severe injury. But don't underestimate the danger of getting beat to the head. It's very common in popular media, but very dangerous in real life.
- jononomo 4y ago
  It was merely lukewarm coffee
  - quonn 4y ago
    Okay, so maybe this was an overreaction then? But also an investigation might be opened due to a slight slap and be also an overreaction. I find it difficult to blame the university for a suicide that happened before an investigation was even concluded. It sounds to me like blaming a court of law before a ruling has been made.
tivert 4y ago
>> Katie supposedly spilled coffee on a Stanford varsity football player who assaulted a friend of hers (he got to play out the season, and was never disciplined). > This really doesn't make sense. It's difficult to believe that spilling coffee on someone else resulted in a formal disciplinary action. Maybe "spill" was the wrong word. I don't know anything about the events in question, but the context raises the likelihood that what she actually did was deliberately dump or splash coffee on the guy.
Turing_Machine 4y ago
Did she actually "spill" coffee on him, or did she "throw" coffee on him? Those aren't the same. At all. Edit: nothing in the linked Guardian article says that it was "lukewarm", either, as some are suggesting. "Spilling" "lukewarm" coffee and "throwing" "hot" coffee are definitely not the same thing.

ta2304130835 4y ago

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quonn 4y ago
Can you explain what you mean by that?
Bran_son 4y ago
I was unable to find pictures of either, only Katie Meyer. Could you point me to these pictures?

prepend 4y ago

For me, it’s not just that. It’s that they chose to investigate spilled coffee (which is assault although the police weren’t involved so makes me think it didn’t warrant their assault label) reported not by the student but by a third party who claimed to witness it, but did not investigate the sexual assault charges against the coffee spillee. So Stanford is selectively investigating seemingly spurious charges against weak people rather than more serious charges against powerful people. So it’s a pretty cruel systemic bullying. And seems to reinforce my perception (perhaps wrong) that it’s a bullshit system that just wants to stay active and not actually do anything.

psychlops 4y ago
Where did you read that it was a sexual assault?
- colpabar 4y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/24/katie-meyer-stanford-lawsuit-soccer-death https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/24/katie-meyer-...
  - psychlops 4y ago
    Ah, an unwanted kiss. I think, in the real world, spilling some (warmish) coffee on someone is a reasonable retaliation for an unwanted kiss. Once it enters the bureaucracy then they get called assault and require disciplinary action.
    - jonahrd 4y ago
      Where do you read that it's an "unwanted kiss"? Maybe I'm just missing it, but I've looked through this article 3 times and can only see it referred to as a sexual assault.
      - psychlops 4y ago
        In this article: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-26/stanford-soccer-player-katie-meyer-wrongful-death-lawsuit https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-26/stanford... "The university defended its response to the alleged sexual assault on Meyer’s teammate — described as an unwanted kiss — by saying the incident was reported to its Title IX office, which decided against moving forward with an investigation, and local police."
        chasd00 4y ago
        How does the university have authority to decide to go to the police or not? I'm always confused when people report crimes against them to a church, school, or some other organization and then the organization decides not to engage the police or legal. The victim is just suppose to shrug and say "oh well, i guess i'm just out of luck!". The victim should go straight to the police and report a crime was committed against them. At least leave it up to actual investigators to make a decision if a crime was committed or not and not some third party with motive to sweep it under the rug.

quonn 4y ago

If the coffee is hot, I would argue it is worse than beating or slapping. So I'm not so surprised. On the other hand the consequences should in any case be limited since people can do some physical harm in a fit of rage.

stuartjohnson12 4y ago
If the coffee is hot enough to burn or scar, you've got a case that is far, far more serious than a disciplinary action could possibly encompass.
- cpwright 4y ago
  The university and a Kangaroo court should not be involved in either of these cases, we have real police and courts for that.
dgb23 4y ago
Getting burned by a hot liquid like coffee can lead to severe injury. But don't underestimate the danger of getting beat to the head. It's very common in popular media, but very dangerous in real life.
jononomo 4y ago
It was merely lukewarm coffee
- quonn 4y ago
  Okay, so maybe this was an overreaction then? But also an investigation might be opened due to a slight slap and be also an overreaction. I find it difficult to blame the university for a suicide that happened before an investigation was even concluded. It sounds to me like blaming a court of law before a ruling has been made.

tivert 4y ago

>> Katie supposedly spilled coffee on a Stanford varsity football player who assaulted a friend of hers (he got to play out the season, and was never disciplined). > This really doesn't make sense. It's difficult to believe that spilling coffee on someone else resulted in a formal disciplinary action. Maybe "spill" was the wrong word. I don't know anything about the events in question, but the context raises the likelihood that what she actually did was deliberately dump or splash coffee on the guy.

Turing_Machine 4y ago

Did she actually "spill" coffee on him, or did she "throw" coffee on him? Those aren't the same. At all. Edit: nothing in the linked Guardian article says that it was "lukewarm", either, as some are suggesting. "Spilling" "lukewarm" coffee and "throwing" "hot" coffee are definitely not the same thing.