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The internet is dying.

by resuresu 3y ago

AstixAndBelix 3y ago
And using services that need ads to survive by bypassing those ads does not help!
- vorticalbox 3y ago
  this is why i disbale my adblock on reasources that are using them to stay around.
  - grugagag 3y ago
    Have you tried disabling adblocks on youtube? It’s only not usable but downright malicious
    - vorticalbox 3y ago
      I mostly watch YouTube on my phone and ads are reasonable. Usually 2 short ones at the start then nothing else.
- t-3 3y ago
  YouTube isn't what's dying, it's the organic, non-monetized, grassroots web that's being killed off. You know, the stuff that's actually interesting and cool and not trying to sell you anything.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    Stop talking to each other and start buying things.... https://catvalente.substack.com/p/stop-talking-to-each-other-and-start https://catvalente.substack.com/p/stop-talking-to-each-other...
- pixl97 3y ago
  Ads are the reason the internet is dying....
- xxs 3y ago
  I can't think of a single service that 'needs' advertising, and I need it. Youtube has a paid subscription, so does every stream service.
Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago
It's just Conway's Law asserting itself. The internet is just continuing its transformation to better match the socio-economic-political system -- that of top-down control.
claritise 3y ago
Decentralisation is the key... but no... just blanket hate on anything related crypto/blockchain.
- trasz3 3y ago
  Anything related to crypto/blockchain tends to be a technically very poor way of doing decentralisation.
  - localplume 3y ago
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- nobody9999 3y ago
  >Decentralisation is the key... but no... just blanket hate on anything related crypto/blockchain. Blockchains are not the be all and end all of decentralization. In fact, most decentralized use cases don't require (and performance would suffer significantly if used) blockchains at all. I'm not hating on blockchains, they have some important uses. But decentralized communications ala the Fediverse[0] wouldn't gain anything from blockchains, and ActivityPub[1] is most certainly decentralized, and while I suppose someone could bolt a blockchain onto it, it's unclear to me what value could be added. And there's this one weird thing I heard about the other day. It's so outlandish I thought it was somebody's psychotic fever-dream. Supposedly, there are these things called "websites." Not sure what they are, but apparently, just about anyone can set up/own/run one (or more) all by themselves on skinny hardware without any blockchains. I heard about this and just snorted derisively because that's clearly bullshit -- no one could ever do anything like that. /s [0] https://fediverse.party/ https://fediverse.party/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub
  - doodlesdev 3y ago
    > And there's this one weird thing I heard about the other day. It's so outlandish I thought it was somebody's psychotic fever-dream. Supposedly, there are these things called "websites." Not sure what they are, but apparently, just about anyone can set up/own/run one (or more) all by themselves on skinny hardware without any blockchains. Until someone who doesn't like you sues DNS providers for resolving your hostname, or your nameserver provider decides to kick you, or the FEDs decide to seize the server hosting it, and then you'll wish it was all on IPFS and you were using a Web3 domain (Unstoppable, ENS, etc.). It's not a panacea, but I think it would be step in the right direction. Before we start talking about Tor (which is awesome) I'd like to remind that onion addresses are absurdly horrible and would never be adopted by mainstream, the only way to have limited domains per physical person (and thus the abillity to choose a somewhat good looking domain) is for them to cost something, and cryptocurrency is the decentralized way we have to do it for now, thus that's where Unstoppable and ENS come from.
digitalsushi 3y ago
The Internet is not dying. It's just on pause mode. The people that built the Internet are not the people that will keep building the Internet. Their hunger was fed long ago by the yields harvested by their contributions to technology. The Internet will remain on pause mode until someone disrupts it with new technology that cannot be contained by social solutions. Something that outpaces laws, outpaces cease and desists. Technology that is unaffected the current rules but uses the Internet as its substrate. It sounds like anarchy but it's just what the Internet was one full human generation earlier. (Arguably pushing on two generations now). If we invented the Internet today, we'd consider it an insidious invention designed to pry control away and redistribute it to institutions that shouldn't own it. Could we do it a second time?

The internet is dying.

AstixAndBelix 3y ago

And using services that need ads to survive by bypassing those ads does not help!

vorticalbox 3y ago
this is why i disbale my adblock on reasources that are using them to stay around.
- grugagag 3y ago
  Have you tried disabling adblocks on youtube? It’s only not usable but downright malicious
  - vorticalbox 3y ago
    I mostly watch YouTube on my phone and ads are reasonable. Usually 2 short ones at the start then nothing else.
t-3 3y ago
YouTube isn't what's dying, it's the organic, non-monetized, grassroots web that's being killed off. You know, the stuff that's actually interesting and cool and not trying to sell you anything.
- pixl97 3y ago
  Stop talking to each other and start buying things.... https://catvalente.substack.com/p/stop-talking-to-each-other-and-start https://catvalente.substack.com/p/stop-talking-to-each-other...
pixl97 3y ago
Ads are the reason the internet is dying....
xxs 3y ago
I can't think of a single service that 'needs' advertising, and I need it. Youtube has a paid subscription, so does every stream service.

Eddy_Viscosity2 3y ago

It's just Conway's Law asserting itself. The internet is just continuing its transformation to better match the socio-economic-political system -- that of top-down control.

claritise 3y ago

Decentralisation is the key... but no... just blanket hate on anything related crypto/blockchain.

trasz3 3y ago
Anything related to crypto/blockchain tends to be a technically very poor way of doing decentralisation.
- localplume 3y ago
  [dead]
nobody9999 3y ago
>Decentralisation is the key... but no... just blanket hate on anything related crypto/blockchain. Blockchains are not the be all and end all of decentralization. In fact, most decentralized use cases don't require (and performance would suffer significantly if used) blockchains at all. I'm not hating on blockchains, they have some important uses. But decentralized communications ala the Fediverse[0] wouldn't gain anything from blockchains, and ActivityPub[1] is most certainly decentralized, and while I suppose someone could bolt a blockchain onto it, it's unclear to me what value could be added. And there's this one weird thing I heard about the other day. It's so outlandish I thought it was somebody's psychotic fever-dream. Supposedly, there are these things called "websites." Not sure what they are, but apparently, just about anyone can set up/own/run one (or more) all by themselves on skinny hardware without any blockchains. I heard about this and just snorted derisively because that's clearly bullshit -- no one could ever do anything like that. /s [0] https://fediverse.party/ https://fediverse.party/ [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub
- doodlesdev 3y ago
  > And there's this one weird thing I heard about the other day. It's so outlandish I thought it was somebody's psychotic fever-dream. Supposedly, there are these things called "websites." Not sure what they are, but apparently, just about anyone can set up/own/run one (or more) all by themselves on skinny hardware without any blockchains. Until someone who doesn't like you sues DNS providers for resolving your hostname, or your nameserver provider decides to kick you, or the FEDs decide to seize the server hosting it, and then you'll wish it was all on IPFS and you were using a Web3 domain (Unstoppable, ENS, etc.). It's not a panacea, but I think it would be step in the right direction. Before we start talking about Tor (which is awesome) I'd like to remind that onion addresses are absurdly horrible and would never be adopted by mainstream, the only way to have limited domains per physical person (and thus the abillity to choose a somewhat good looking domain) is for them to cost something, and cryptocurrency is the decentralized way we have to do it for now, thus that's where Unstoppable and ENS come from.

digitalsushi 3y ago

The Internet is not dying. It's just on pause mode. The people that built the Internet are not the people that will keep building the Internet. Their hunger was fed long ago by the yields harvested by their contributions to technology. The Internet will remain on pause mode until someone disrupts it with new technology that cannot be contained by social solutions. Something that outpaces laws, outpaces cease and desists. Technology that is unaffected the current rules but uses the Internet as its substrate. It sounds like anarchy but it's just what the Internet was one full human generation earlier. (Arguably pushing on two generations now). If we invented the Internet today, we'd consider it an insidious invention designed to pry control away and redistribute it to institutions that shouldn't own it. Could we do it a second time?