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I'm all for improvements to pod startup times etc, but the general idea of putting more software into cars is not that appealing. I recently broke down in the h

by hghid 3y ago

I'm all for improvements to pod startup times etc, but the general idea of putting more software into cars is not that appealing. I recently broke down in the highlands of Scotland in a fairly new car with the family - it was a horrible experience. It was made worse by the fact that there was nobody close that had a clue what to do with the car. The breakdown service arrived promptly, plugged the diagnostic tool into the car, proclaimed it broken, called a tow truck and left - two days later we arrived home. Had I been in a less complex car, a local garage could most likely have fixed the problem and sent us on our way. The sophistication and gadgets in modern cars are great until something goes wrong then they fail hard. Small local garages that used to be a life saver are next to useless now as they don't have the tools and knowledge to fix a mobile data centre.

dtx1 3y ago
That's imo a right to repair issue. We can build easily diagnosable and easily fixable hardware. Big Corps just don't
- carlmr 3y ago
  It's also a liability issue. If a company allows tinkering with the software in the car it opens itself up to massive lawsuits. If we have a right to repair here, we also need to see how to handle liability here. If you flash your own software on the motor controller and subsequently mow through a group of people because you forgot to do a plausibility check on the accelerator pedal value who takes responsibility then? Even if you just get the original software, how do we ensure you flash it correctly? If you get the schematics, how do we know used the right parts that are rated for 125°C temperatures.
  - anaganisk 3y ago
    Lol, this is absolute funny, every example you came up with has already been there for years. Aren't cars being modded every day, ECU tuning, engine mods, etc? Go ahead sue the company, companies aren't some innocent babies, they can afford to quickly dismiss the claim by just pointing towards the mod. Auto Companies have never been held liable for a car that has been modded. Does it waste money to be sued? Yes! But does it save a lot of money for consumers and is much better for the environment? Yes! If companies are greedy/selfish about their profits then consumers don't need to think about how right to repair hurts those companies.
    - bluGill 3y ago
      The EPA has suggested they will hold companies liable in the future. It hasn't happened yet, but they are hinting. If it is just one hobbyist they don't care, but there is a whole industry of chip your diesel truck and those chips clearly increase pollution. A modern diesel truck doesn't emit black smoke, but a large % of the diesel trucks you see are "rolling coal" which is a sure sign that someone has disabled the emissions controls.
      - yellowapple 3y ago
        > The EPA has suggested they will hold companies liable in the future. The EPA can suggest all it wants. Holding one entity liable for the actions of an entirely different entity beyond the control of the former's is asinine, and I can guarantee you these automakers will gladly sic their armies of lawyers at a Supreme-Court-bound case and/or their armies of lobbyists at legislatively castrating the EPA if the EPA made any such attempt. On top of that, the EPA is virtually irrelevant for EVs, and yet EVs are just as locked down (if not moreso), so I don't buy the "EPA might punish us" argument for that reason, too.
      - Gordonjcp 3y ago
        Not disabled the emissions controls, but deliberately remapped it to grossly overfuel at large throttle settings. Why people want to trade off power for a big cloud of black smoke is beyond me, but there we are. If they want to get 50bhp from a nine litre engine, that's their concern.
    - Gordonjcp 3y ago
      "ECU tuning" is just fiddling about with some values in a lookup table, though.
  - overthrow 3y ago
    The liability excuse is a lie told to you by companies trying to increase their profits. Who is liable if you tweak the software on your 2023 Mercedes? The same person who is liable if you tweak the hardware on your 1987 Chevy. There's plenty of precedent on how to deal with this.
  - yellowapple 3y ago
    > If you flash your own software on the motor controller and subsequently mow through a group of people because you forgot to do a plausibility check on the accelerator pedal value who takes responsibility then? I would, obviously, for making the unsafe modification. In what multiverse would the manufacturer be liable for something entirely outside the manufacturer's control?
- bluGill 3y ago
  It should be, but right to repair is mostly not about diagnosis and repair. Instead you are seeing a bait and switch where someone wants to disable emissions controls and claims that is a repair. What can a mechanic not do to a modern car with the standard scan tools and training? Most old school mechanics still lack the training to work on computers, but those that have that training have no problem fixing cars.
  - dtx1 3y ago
    > It should be, but right to repair is mostly not about diagnosis and repair. Instead you are seeing a bait and switch where someone wants to disable emissions controls and claims that is a repair. Well first of all that happens even under the current draconian anti repair setups already and secondly thats a felony. Just because you can do sth illegal doesn't mean we should child proof our whole society so you can't do anything anymore just because someone MAY do something illegal. We still allow you to buy knifes, in some places even guns.
Alifatisk 3y ago
You said it so well, cars have become too bloated with software that barely any local mechanic would want to touch it. Happened to me and this is the major reason why I am slowly shifting to older cars, they are way easier and cheaper to repair.
- hghid 3y ago
  Same here - I have owned an old petrol Vauxhall for years as my runaround car and it's so much easier to deal with. The big issue I have with newer cars is that the computers mask any developing issues until they get to a point when they just give up. A less sophicsticated car starts to just feel different a long time before it outright fails.
  - doubled112 3y ago
    The MkIV diesel Jetta I had seemed to fall into limp mode at the slightest provocation, but never left me stranded. Trust me, it is a difference you can feel.
- miah_ 3y ago
  Its not just software though, even the lights on your cars now are not easily user serviceable anymore. New cars with LED lights built in have core charges/deposits attached to them, they cost multiple hundreds of dollars and if you want to get your core deposit refund you must return the light. Compared to 15+ years ago, you go to your local store, buy a new light for $10-30, replace it and you're on your way. Ford apparently ended the core charge program for lighting in 2020, but other manufactures continue, and that is just one thing that was common for users to service themselves in the past. It's not going to get better.
  - pas 3y ago
    On one hand, it's okay. Cars are becoming a service, which they are anyway. Most people want to get transported, they don't want to drive, nor they want to maintain a car. Collective interests are pushing the whole industry toward this. (The goal of decreasing emissions through the whole lifecycle/value-chain, more safety for everyone involved, not just for those in cars; EV-ification itself pushes everything toward consolidation, as cars become simpler, but more one-time CapEx intensive, as the battery costs a lot, and then it just works for a million miles. AAaand then the whole need/goal of densification of cities, more public transportation, etc.) On the other hand right to repair is very important. Walled gardens suck. Still hundreds of millions of people live in rural areas in the so called developed world, etc. And I don't want to subsidize the industry, I'm willing to pay more up-front, if it means I can just to replace the fucking light bulb.
VBprogrammer 3y ago
Heh, we were stuck in a carpark for 3 hours because the 2025 battery cell in our key remote went dead on a cold walk around a local lake. It's supposed to have a backup but, like most backups, I hadn't tested that it works and for some reason the RFID reader part wouldn't connect with the car.
- tough 3y ago
  Are 2025 battery cells batteries from the future?
  - amrb 3y ago
    A type of battery the small round one.. not the year
    - tough 3y ago
      Thanks, that makes much more sense
  - xarope 3y ago
    assuming this is a cr2025 then most likely 20mm diameter and 2.5mm thick => 2025
    - bookofjoe 3y ago
      this is the most useful thing I've learned so far this year
    - jsmith45 3y ago
      Yeah almost certainly talking about a CR2025. Use of a 2025 cell would be rather irritating to me, because in my experience CR2016 or CR2032 are both more common, and it seems like it should not be hard to fit a 2032 into most keyfob designs.
christophilus 3y ago
> The sophistication and gadgets in modern cars are great until something goes wrong I'd go further than cars and say, "in most things". Smart-anything, washing machines, printers, sewing machines, thermostats, appliances in general... My mother in-law has two sewing machines. One of them is one of the first electronic sewing machines (from the 70s) and one is much older. Guess which one still works like a charm? I'm not arguing against electronics, here-- many of these things are no doubt improved by electronics to such a degree that the tradeoff is worth it, but it's good to at least acknowledge that there is a tradeoff. It's also good to try to minimize the impact of electronic failure. Smart things would ideally just revert back to being functional dumb things (rather than bricks) if their electronics fail.
- ilyt 3y ago
  If something like that needs to be smart the smart part should basically be extra interface. Old printers did it right - separate extra box for all the connectivity working as print server. That breaks ? just connect it directly. But hey, feeding everything from single microcontroller is $2 cheaper...
  - miah_ 3y ago
    I went to a "tech school" to learn computers while in High School in the 90's. The tech school also had classes for 'the trades', it was set up to prepare Michigan kids for careers (Careerline Tech IIRC). Anyway. A big part of that class was learning to clean, repair, and manage printers. Again, it was the 90's, and we were high school kids. We came out quite capable with many computer skills but the printer stuff really stuck with me. I've done technical support throughout the years and have setup hundreds of printers. The printers of today are awful landfill fodder compared to the Okidata's of the 90's. Pure simplicity and speed vs FULL COMPUTERS, with scanning, faxing, and every other imaginable feature crammed in with zero hope of doing anything other than replacing the toner.
    - com2kid 3y ago
      > The printers of today are awful landfill fodder compared to the Okidata's of the 90's. Pure simplicity and speed vs FULL COMPUTERS, with scanning, faxing, and every other imaginable feature crammed in with zero hope of doing anything other than replacing the toner. The first Laserwriter in 1985 had more processing power than the Macintosh it was sold to accompany. Printers have been full computers for a long time now. As we expect them to do more and more, the computers in them get more and more complex.
ilyt 3y ago
More software is fine IMO. More software on critical path ain't. Have the ECU only do the engine thing. Have the AC control just do AC control. Decouple dependencies and make it as simple as possible. Old cars already do it. Blinker switch send signal directly to light controller, not to some central box deciding what it should do with it. If something needs config in addition to control signals, have it keep it own config and only be updated from the "config manager" (inforatinment box). If infotainment box dies, everything else still works. Cars already are basically "microservices on a message bus". Let's just use what works with that - minimal coupling and maximum independence of "services" > Had I been in a less complex car, a local garage could most likely have fixed the problem and sent us on our way. The sophistication and gadgets in modern cars are great until something goes wrong then they fail hard. Small local garages that used to be a life saver are next to useless now as they don't have the tools and knowledge to fix a mobile data centre. Out of curiosity, what was the issue ?
- capableweb 3y ago
  > More software is fine IMO. More software on critical path ain't. Based on the story in the parent, it sounds like this was precisely a problem with software on the critical path, otherwise local mecs/breakdown service would have been able to fix it rather than give up.
- bottled_poe 3y ago
  You know what this car needs? Kubernetes.
  - rurounijones 3y ago
    I know you are joking but I am not sure if you are aware of how close you are to reality: https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubernetes-and-istio-on-an-f-16-in-45-days/ https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubern...
    - cpufry 3y ago
      wow this is terrifying lmao
pixl97 3y ago
>a local garage could most likely have fixed the problem So, what was the problem?
- judge2020 3y ago
  Supposedly the electronics were too complicated for a shop to diagnose and fix the car on the spot, but I imagine the real problem is that diagnosing non-obvious problems is tough for anyone to do on the spot because all mainline service centers for the big manufacturers are weeks behind and can't just squeeze in the 4 man hours it might take to tear down and diagnose random problems. Older cars and systems were cheaper and easier to diagnose, but they also probably broke down once a year or more, while I had no issues with a 80k miles-in-2-years 2018 Honda Accord and still going strong with a 60k mile no-maintenance 2020 Tesla Model 3 SR+.
import_awesome 3y ago
If you had a little more software in your car it could automatically remediate the issue and you'd be on your way with no repairman involved or at least tell the repairman exactly what to fix. Maybe you could fix it with the step-by-step workflow on your console.
- goalieca 3y ago
  Half the time there’s a light on my car, it’s a damn sensor! More components mean more points of failure.
  - bookofjoe 3y ago
    Check Engine Light being on comes standard
    - bityard 3y ago
      Mechanics call this the money light. :)
      - bookofjoe 3y ago
        Indeed. When I took my car in last winter because the light had come on for no apparent reason, as the car was running fine, they charged me $140 to take it out on the road to try to find the reason. No reason was found. Two weeks later, the light came on again (towards the end of 2022). The car was and is running fine. The light will remain on until July when I take it in for a scheduled oil change.
        generalizations 3y ago
        Or you could buy a $20 code reader and see what's causing the light yourself.
        bookofjoe 3y ago
Gordonjcp 3y ago
You take out your picnic basket 'cos the car has blown a gasket in the middle o' a place called Rannoch Moor https://l-hit.com/en/143370 https://l-hit.com/en/143370
- hghid 3y ago
  Haha - that summed up my day perfectly!
emacdona 3y ago
Hmmm... maybe this thread will have an answer to the question that has been on my mind for a while. Sometime in the next 5-7 years, I think I'm going to be in the market for a new car. Are there any manufacturers out there whose niche is "dumb cars"? If so, they can have my money.
dockman 3y ago
I for one am very happy that RedHat is putting in these efforts to improve startup time of podman. This is extremely necessary if our industry has to survive. Last time we tried using podman in our product, it was such a performance mess. We had to completely abandon our product. Our product would have disrupted the entire juicer market if podman was efficient at that time, our's was the only juicer which had containers running in it. Hoping to get back to it once this version of podman is released. Thank you RedHat team; we'll send you one of our juicers as a thank you gift.

by hghid 3y ago

dtx1 3y ago

That's imo a right to repair issue. We can build easily diagnosable and easily fixable hardware. Big Corps just don't

carlmr 3y ago
It's also a liability issue. If a company allows tinkering with the software in the car it opens itself up to massive lawsuits. If we have a right to repair here, we also need to see how to handle liability here. If you flash your own software on the motor controller and subsequently mow through a group of people because you forgot to do a plausibility check on the accelerator pedal value who takes responsibility then? Even if you just get the original software, how do we ensure you flash it correctly? If you get the schematics, how do we know used the right parts that are rated for 125°C temperatures.
- anaganisk 3y ago
  Lol, this is absolute funny, every example you came up with has already been there for years. Aren't cars being modded every day, ECU tuning, engine mods, etc? Go ahead sue the company, companies aren't some innocent babies, they can afford to quickly dismiss the claim by just pointing towards the mod. Auto Companies have never been held liable for a car that has been modded. Does it waste money to be sued? Yes! But does it save a lot of money for consumers and is much better for the environment? Yes! If companies are greedy/selfish about their profits then consumers don't need to think about how right to repair hurts those companies.
  - bluGill 3y ago
    The EPA has suggested they will hold companies liable in the future. It hasn't happened yet, but they are hinting. If it is just one hobbyist they don't care, but there is a whole industry of chip your diesel truck and those chips clearly increase pollution. A modern diesel truck doesn't emit black smoke, but a large % of the diesel trucks you see are "rolling coal" which is a sure sign that someone has disabled the emissions controls.
    - yellowapple 3y ago
      > The EPA has suggested they will hold companies liable in the future. The EPA can suggest all it wants. Holding one entity liable for the actions of an entirely different entity beyond the control of the former's is asinine, and I can guarantee you these automakers will gladly sic their armies of lawyers at a Supreme-Court-bound case and/or their armies of lobbyists at legislatively castrating the EPA if the EPA made any such attempt. On top of that, the EPA is virtually irrelevant for EVs, and yet EVs are just as locked down (if not moreso), so I don't buy the "EPA might punish us" argument for that reason, too.
    - Gordonjcp 3y ago
      Not disabled the emissions controls, but deliberately remapped it to grossly overfuel at large throttle settings. Why people want to trade off power for a big cloud of black smoke is beyond me, but there we are. If they want to get 50bhp from a nine litre engine, that's their concern.
  - Gordonjcp 3y ago
    "ECU tuning" is just fiddling about with some values in a lookup table, though.
- overthrow 3y ago
  The liability excuse is a lie told to you by companies trying to increase their profits. Who is liable if you tweak the software on your 2023 Mercedes? The same person who is liable if you tweak the hardware on your 1987 Chevy. There's plenty of precedent on how to deal with this.
- yellowapple 3y ago
  > If you flash your own software on the motor controller and subsequently mow through a group of people because you forgot to do a plausibility check on the accelerator pedal value who takes responsibility then? I would, obviously, for making the unsafe modification. In what multiverse would the manufacturer be liable for something entirely outside the manufacturer's control?
bluGill 3y ago
It should be, but right to repair is mostly not about diagnosis and repair. Instead you are seeing a bait and switch where someone wants to disable emissions controls and claims that is a repair. What can a mechanic not do to a modern car with the standard scan tools and training? Most old school mechanics still lack the training to work on computers, but those that have that training have no problem fixing cars.
- dtx1 3y ago
  > It should be, but right to repair is mostly not about diagnosis and repair. Instead you are seeing a bait and switch where someone wants to disable emissions controls and claims that is a repair. Well first of all that happens even under the current draconian anti repair setups already and secondly thats a felony. Just because you can do sth illegal doesn't mean we should child proof our whole society so you can't do anything anymore just because someone MAY do something illegal. We still allow you to buy knifes, in some places even guns.

Alifatisk 3y ago

You said it so well, cars have become too bloated with software that barely any local mechanic would want to touch it. Happened to me and this is the major reason why I am slowly shifting to older cars, they are way easier and cheaper to repair.

hghid 3y ago
Same here - I have owned an old petrol Vauxhall for years as my runaround car and it's so much easier to deal with. The big issue I have with newer cars is that the computers mask any developing issues until they get to a point when they just give up. A less sophicsticated car starts to just feel different a long time before it outright fails.
- doubled112 3y ago
  The MkIV diesel Jetta I had seemed to fall into limp mode at the slightest provocation, but never left me stranded. Trust me, it is a difference you can feel.
miah_ 3y ago
Its not just software though, even the lights on your cars now are not easily user serviceable anymore. New cars with LED lights built in have core charges/deposits attached to them, they cost multiple hundreds of dollars and if you want to get your core deposit refund you must return the light. Compared to 15+ years ago, you go to your local store, buy a new light for $10-30, replace it and you're on your way. Ford apparently ended the core charge program for lighting in 2020, but other manufactures continue, and that is just one thing that was common for users to service themselves in the past. It's not going to get better.
- pas 3y ago
  On one hand, it's okay. Cars are becoming a service, which they are anyway. Most people want to get transported, they don't want to drive, nor they want to maintain a car. Collective interests are pushing the whole industry toward this. (The goal of decreasing emissions through the whole lifecycle/value-chain, more safety for everyone involved, not just for those in cars; EV-ification itself pushes everything toward consolidation, as cars become simpler, but more one-time CapEx intensive, as the battery costs a lot, and then it just works for a million miles. AAaand then the whole need/goal of densification of cities, more public transportation, etc.) On the other hand right to repair is very important. Walled gardens suck. Still hundreds of millions of people live in rural areas in the so called developed world, etc. And I don't want to subsidize the industry, I'm willing to pay more up-front, if it means I can just to replace the fucking light bulb.

VBprogrammer 3y ago

Heh, we were stuck in a carpark for 3 hours because the 2025 battery cell in our key remote went dead on a cold walk around a local lake. It's supposed to have a backup but, like most backups, I hadn't tested that it works and for some reason the RFID reader part wouldn't connect with the car.

tough 3y ago
Are 2025 battery cells batteries from the future?
- amrb 3y ago
  A type of battery the small round one.. not the year
  - tough 3y ago
    Thanks, that makes much more sense
- xarope 3y ago
  assuming this is a cr2025 then most likely 20mm diameter and 2.5mm thick => 2025
  - bookofjoe 3y ago
    this is the most useful thing I've learned so far this year
  - jsmith45 3y ago
    Yeah almost certainly talking about a CR2025. Use of a 2025 cell would be rather irritating to me, because in my experience CR2016 or CR2032 are both more common, and it seems like it should not be hard to fit a 2032 into most keyfob designs.

christophilus 3y ago

> The sophistication and gadgets in modern cars are great until something goes wrong I'd go further than cars and say, "in most things". Smart-anything, washing machines, printers, sewing machines, thermostats, appliances in general... My mother in-law has two sewing machines. One of them is one of the first electronic sewing machines (from the 70s) and one is much older. Guess which one still works like a charm? I'm not arguing against electronics, here-- many of these things are no doubt improved by electronics to such a degree that the tradeoff is worth it, but it's good to at least acknowledge that there is a tradeoff. It's also good to try to minimize the impact of electronic failure. Smart things would ideally just revert back to being functional dumb things (rather than bricks) if their electronics fail.

ilyt 3y ago
If something like that needs to be smart the smart part should basically be extra interface. Old printers did it right - separate extra box for all the connectivity working as print server. That breaks ? just connect it directly. But hey, feeding everything from single microcontroller is $2 cheaper...
- miah_ 3y ago
  I went to a "tech school" to learn computers while in High School in the 90's. The tech school also had classes for 'the trades', it was set up to prepare Michigan kids for careers (Careerline Tech IIRC). Anyway. A big part of that class was learning to clean, repair, and manage printers. Again, it was the 90's, and we were high school kids. We came out quite capable with many computer skills but the printer stuff really stuck with me. I've done technical support throughout the years and have setup hundreds of printers. The printers of today are awful landfill fodder compared to the Okidata's of the 90's. Pure simplicity and speed vs FULL COMPUTERS, with scanning, faxing, and every other imaginable feature crammed in with zero hope of doing anything other than replacing the toner.
  - com2kid 3y ago
    > The printers of today are awful landfill fodder compared to the Okidata's of the 90's. Pure simplicity and speed vs FULL COMPUTERS, with scanning, faxing, and every other imaginable feature crammed in with zero hope of doing anything other than replacing the toner. The first Laserwriter in 1985 had more processing power than the Macintosh it was sold to accompany. Printers have been full computers for a long time now. As we expect them to do more and more, the computers in them get more and more complex.

ilyt 3y ago

More software is fine IMO. More software on critical path ain't. Have the ECU only do the engine thing. Have the AC control just do AC control. Decouple dependencies and make it as simple as possible. Old cars already do it. Blinker switch send signal directly to light controller, not to some central box deciding what it should do with it. If something needs config in addition to control signals, have it keep it own config and only be updated from the "config manager" (inforatinment box). If infotainment box dies, everything else still works. Cars already are basically "microservices on a message bus". Let's just use what works with that - minimal coupling and maximum independence of "services" > Had I been in a less complex car, a local garage could most likely have fixed the problem and sent us on our way. The sophistication and gadgets in modern cars are great until something goes wrong then they fail hard. Small local garages that used to be a life saver are next to useless now as they don't have the tools and knowledge to fix a mobile data centre. Out of curiosity, what was the issue ?

capableweb 3y ago
> More software is fine IMO. More software on critical path ain't. Based on the story in the parent, it sounds like this was precisely a problem with software on the critical path, otherwise local mecs/breakdown service would have been able to fix it rather than give up.
bottled_poe 3y ago
You know what this car needs? Kubernetes.
- rurounijones 3y ago
  I know you are joking but I am not sure if you are aware of how close you are to reality: https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubernetes-and-istio-on-an-f-16-in-45-days/ https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubern...
  - cpufry 3y ago
    wow this is terrifying lmao

pixl97 3y ago

>a local garage could most likely have fixed the problem So, what was the problem?

judge2020 3y ago
Supposedly the electronics were too complicated for a shop to diagnose and fix the car on the spot, but I imagine the real problem is that diagnosing non-obvious problems is tough for anyone to do on the spot because all mainline service centers for the big manufacturers are weeks behind and can't just squeeze in the 4 man hours it might take to tear down and diagnose random problems. Older cars and systems were cheaper and easier to diagnose, but they also probably broke down once a year or more, while I had no issues with a 80k miles-in-2-years 2018 Honda Accord and still going strong with a 60k mile no-maintenance 2020 Tesla Model 3 SR+.

import_awesome 3y ago

If you had a little more software in your car it could automatically remediate the issue and you'd be on your way with no repairman involved or at least tell the repairman exactly what to fix. Maybe you could fix it with the step-by-step workflow on your console.

goalieca 3y ago
Half the time there’s a light on my car, it’s a damn sensor! More components mean more points of failure.
- bookofjoe 3y ago
  Check Engine Light being on comes standard
  - bityard 3y ago
    Mechanics call this the money light. :)
    - bookofjoe 3y ago
      Indeed. When I took my car in last winter because the light had come on for no apparent reason, as the car was running fine, they charged me $140 to take it out on the road to try to find the reason. No reason was found. Two weeks later, the light came on again (towards the end of 2022). The car was and is running fine. The light will remain on until July when I take it in for a scheduled oil change.
      - generalizations 3y ago
        Or you could buy a $20 code reader and see what's causing the light yourself.
        bookofjoe 3y ago

Gordonjcp 3y ago

You take out your picnic basket 'cos the car has blown a gasket in the middle o' a place called Rannoch Moor https://l-hit.com/en/143370 https://l-hit.com/en/143370

hghid 3y ago
Haha - that summed up my day perfectly!

emacdona 3y ago

Hmmm... maybe this thread will have an answer to the question that has been on my mind for a while. Sometime in the next 5-7 years, I think I'm going to be in the market for a new car. Are there any manufacturers out there whose niche is "dumb cars"? If so, they can have my money.

dockman 3y ago

I for one am very happy that RedHat is putting in these efforts to improve startup time of podman. This is extremely necessary if our industry has to survive. Last time we tried using podman in our product, it was such a performance mess. We had to completely abandon our product. Our product would have disrupted the entire juicer market if podman was efficient at that time, our's was the only juicer which had containers running in it. Hoping to get back to it once this version of podman is released. Thank you RedHat team; we'll send you one of our juicers as a thank you gift.