> But what is the proposal? Arresting people and incarcerating them for petty crimes? What's an honest counter-proposal? "Allowing" minor crimes, or requiring

> But what is the proposal? Arresting people and incarcerating them for petty crimes? What's an honest counter-proposal? "Allowing" minor crimes, or requiring people to simply let thieves take some of their things? So, of course, yes. Arrest people for any crime that hurts other people, because the other option is that those others suffer or they need to defend themselves. Both of which are unfair and unproductive. > you can't mandate a homeless person with mental health issue "go" to rehab, you can only lock them up We aren't talking homeless, they're already easily helped. We're talking the incurably anti-social and dangerous. People who routinely hurt their neighbors or damage their spaces and things. And yeah, you totally can mandate rehab - you lock people up and require rehab to leave. We already have to lock them up anyways so if they choose not to benefit from or are actually incapable of participating in rehab then yeah you just leave them perpetually locked up in the lightest containment possible. It's generally easier and better, for them and us, than some "free to die on the streets" nonsense anyways. And rehab is only much of the issue - many people are simply "ill" and are never going to get fully well. They don't need punishment, and have no substances to kick, but they still need fair and firm containment.