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The DoD really dropped the ball by granting access to this information to such a wide group of people, according to the article. "Thousands of people". What hap

The DoD really dropped the ball by granting access to this information to such a wide group of people, according to the article. "Thousands of people". What happened to need-to-know?

GVIrish 4y ago
Since 9/11 there's been a shift towards not siloing information as aggressively as before in order to make intelligence failures less likely. Don't know if that was at play in this case though. At the very least, access control systems should've flagged unusual access to more information that this person would've had a need to know. But as big as the US intelligence and defense apparatus is, not every agency, program, and office is gonna have rigorous enough controls to catch people like this. Seems like the lesson should've been learned after Manning and Snowden.
- jonny_eh 4y ago
  This OG sounds like a total moron and ego maniac. How does someone like that get access? How can he walk away with pictures?
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halJordan 4y ago
This is an unfair characterization without more due consideration. The IC was raked across the coals for years over being overly secretive and is still blamed for 9/11 because they had the pieces, but wouldn't coordinate. Balancing security and communication is very tough and the nation specifically choose communication. That 1000s of people had access and didn't leak it speaks to the strength of the system. I'm sorry that one guy was eff'd in the head and felt he needed to buy friends with classical documents.
jones6ofMont 4y ago
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topspin 4y ago
I agree. A lot of it seems fairly low value, but the info on intelligence penetrations of the Russian military is a major setback. That's high value intelligence; exposure means assets are now compromised. That this is floating around in the hands of some kid with a printer and a camera is deeply stupid. It isn't, however, surprising. This is just another in a now long list of similar failures, increasing in frequency. Our intelligence and military leadership is not competent.
nvy 4y ago
You'd be surprised what gets classified. For example aggregate maintenance data from aircraft, like the paperwork for changing tires, or repainting the fuselage on a C-130, can allow an adversary to develop pretty good estimates of a military's readiness capability. So it's classified, usually as Secret. The USAF alone has something like 100,000 aircraft maintainers, all of whom have a need to access that data to varying degrees.
- barrkel 4y ago
  They Need To Know. NTK is a contextual requirement and shouldn't be solved by admitting them into an enormous pen whereby they instantly gain access to information that they don't, in fact, need to know.
  - nvy 4y ago
    >admitting them into an enormous pen whereby they instantly gain access to information that they don't, in fact, need to know. In my firsthand experience, having been a military officer with a security clearance, this rarely if ever happens. My point about the aircraft maintainers is that it's fairly common and in fact rather mundane that "thousands" of people do actually have a need to know.

The DoD really dropped the ball by granting access to this information to such a wide group of people, according to the article. "Thousands of people". What happened to need-to-know?

GVIrish 4y ago

Since 9/11 there's been a shift towards not siloing information as aggressively as before in order to make intelligence failures less likely. Don't know if that was at play in this case though. At the very least, access control systems should've flagged unusual access to more information that this person would've had a need to know. But as big as the US intelligence and defense apparatus is, not every agency, program, and office is gonna have rigorous enough controls to catch people like this. Seems like the lesson should've been learned after Manning and Snowden.

jonny_eh 4y ago
This OG sounds like a total moron and ego maniac. How does someone like that get access? How can he walk away with pictures?
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halJordan 4y ago

This is an unfair characterization without more due consideration. The IC was raked across the coals for years over being overly secretive and is still blamed for 9/11 because they had the pieces, but wouldn't coordinate. Balancing security and communication is very tough and the nation specifically choose communication. That 1000s of people had access and didn't leak it speaks to the strength of the system. I'm sorry that one guy was eff'd in the head and felt he needed to buy friends with classical documents.

jones6ofMont 4y ago

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topspin 4y ago

I agree. A lot of it seems fairly low value, but the info on intelligence penetrations of the Russian military is a major setback. That's high value intelligence; exposure means assets are now compromised. That this is floating around in the hands of some kid with a printer and a camera is deeply stupid. It isn't, however, surprising. This is just another in a now long list of similar failures, increasing in frequency. Our intelligence and military leadership is not competent.

nvy 4y ago

You'd be surprised what gets classified. For example aggregate maintenance data from aircraft, like the paperwork for changing tires, or repainting the fuselage on a C-130, can allow an adversary to develop pretty good estimates of a military's readiness capability. So it's classified, usually as Secret. The USAF alone has something like 100,000 aircraft maintainers, all of whom have a need to access that data to varying degrees.

barrkel 4y ago
They Need To Know. NTK is a contextual requirement and shouldn't be solved by admitting them into an enormous pen whereby they instantly gain access to information that they don't, in fact, need to know.
- nvy 4y ago
  >admitting them into an enormous pen whereby they instantly gain access to information that they don't, in fact, need to know. In my firsthand experience, having been a military officer with a security clearance, this rarely if ever happens. My point about the aircraft maintainers is that it's fairly common and in fact rather mundane that "thousands" of people do actually have a need to know.