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No one would argue against the points you have made, but also keep in mind your paying a premium when buying other brands, in some cases a considerable premium.

sidlls 4y ago
The Rivian SUV I put a deposit on is comparably priced to the Model X, which is Tesla's nearest similar model. The Rivian pickup exists (as compared to the Cybertruck). Similarly for the Mach-E and the BMW. The Mercedes was ridiculous (over $200k, or maybe almost $200K--I don't remember, just that it was at least 50% more than any of the others).
- throwaway69123 4y ago
  How comparable is the range?
- ethagknight 4y ago
  The Rivian truck cost around 50% more than the Model Y today. I think the Ford e-vehicles were huge loss leaders for Ford to buy some market share. Mercedes is passing along the actual cost I suppose. I was close to ordering a Rivian until I saw Ford dumped their ownership of the brand a few months back. I highly doubt they have the ability to scale and turn profitable without a major, driven backer like Ford or Elon. Which is a shame because the vehicles look beautiful.
  - sidlls 4y ago
    Tesla has nothing to compete with the Rivian truck, and the Model X—not the Model Y—is the competitor model to the rivian SUV
randmeerkat 4y ago
> No one would argue against the points you have made, but also keep in mind your paying a premium when buying other brands, in some cases a considerable premium. Tesla is absolutely a premium brand, the cheapest vehicle Tesla offers is a base model 3 for $42,000. Where as a Nissan leaf starts at $28,000. Nissan actually understands how to build a widely affordable consumer model. Tesla only knows how to build “premium” vehicles with poor build quality and an autopilot that can’t stop running into fire trucks.
- fallingknife 4y ago
  If Nissan is so much better at building a widely affordable consumer model, why are they outsold massively by Tesla?
  - beambot 4y ago
    We own a Model3 (me) and a Leaf (wife). My wife bought the Leaf more recently; she always defaults to the M3 when given the option. In short, Leaf:Flip-Phone and Tesla:Smartphone. The only saving grace for the Leaf is price. We should've bought a ModelY instead of the Leaf.
- tzs 4y ago
  Doesn't Leaf have some issues due to poor battery cooling? Maybe a better choice for an example of a less expensive EV would be a Chevy Bolt. MSRP $26500 for the EV 1LT model (259 mile range) or $27800 for the EUV LT model (247 mile range). ($17700 and $19000 respectively after incentives).
Analemma_ 4y ago
Wait, are you suggesting that Tesla is the better choice because it's cheaper? This is actually the first time I've heard anyone make that argument; is this how fast people move the goalposts?
- fallingknife 4y ago
  There are basically 4 options in EVs right now: 1. Excellent but north of $100K 2. Tesla 3. Solid EVs that are reasonably priced, but the wait list is > a year 4. Low range crap The cars that this guy was talking about are in category 1, so, yeah, Tesla is actually the cheaper option.

sidlls 4y ago

The Rivian SUV I put a deposit on is comparably priced to the Model X, which is Tesla's nearest similar model. The Rivian pickup exists (as compared to the Cybertruck). Similarly for the Mach-E and the BMW. The Mercedes was ridiculous (over $200k, or maybe almost $200K--I don't remember, just that it was at least 50% more than any of the others).

throwaway69123 4y ago
How comparable is the range?
ethagknight 4y ago
The Rivian truck cost around 50% more than the Model Y today. I think the Ford e-vehicles were huge loss leaders for Ford to buy some market share. Mercedes is passing along the actual cost I suppose. I was close to ordering a Rivian until I saw Ford dumped their ownership of the brand a few months back. I highly doubt they have the ability to scale and turn profitable without a major, driven backer like Ford or Elon. Which is a shame because the vehicles look beautiful.
- sidlls 4y ago
  Tesla has nothing to compete with the Rivian truck, and the Model X—not the Model Y—is the competitor model to the rivian SUV

randmeerkat 4y ago

> No one would argue against the points you have made, but also keep in mind your paying a premium when buying other brands, in some cases a considerable premium. Tesla is absolutely a premium brand, the cheapest vehicle Tesla offers is a base model 3 for $42,000. Where as a Nissan leaf starts at $28,000. Nissan actually understands how to build a widely affordable consumer model. Tesla only knows how to build “premium” vehicles with poor build quality and an autopilot that can’t stop running into fire trucks.

fallingknife 4y ago
If Nissan is so much better at building a widely affordable consumer model, why are they outsold massively by Tesla?
- beambot 4y ago
  We own a Model3 (me) and a Leaf (wife). My wife bought the Leaf more recently; she always defaults to the M3 when given the option. In short, Leaf:Flip-Phone and Tesla:Smartphone. The only saving grace for the Leaf is price. We should've bought a ModelY instead of the Leaf.
tzs 4y ago
Doesn't Leaf have some issues due to poor battery cooling? Maybe a better choice for an example of a less expensive EV would be a Chevy Bolt. MSRP $26500 for the EV 1LT model (259 mile range) or $27800 for the EUV LT model (247 mile range). ($17700 and $19000 respectively after incentives).

Analemma_ 4y ago

Wait, are you suggesting that Tesla is the better choice because it's cheaper? This is actually the first time I've heard anyone make that argument; is this how fast people move the goalposts?

fallingknife 4y ago
There are basically 4 options in EVs right now: 1. Excellent but north of $100K 2. Tesla 3. Solid EVs that are reasonably priced, but the wait list is > a year 4. Low range crap The cars that this guy was talking about are in category 1, so, yeah, Tesla is actually the cheaper option.