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Strongly disagree. These are 3 sets I just generated with v5 using the following simplified version of your prompt: "interior of a future-brutalist megastructur

Strongly disagree. These are 3 sets I just generated with v5 using the following simplified version of your prompt: "interior of a future-brutalist megastructure, comic pastel style, sci-fi robotic architecture, 70s". https://imgur.com/a/cGgz9nl https://imgur.com/a/cGgz9nl MJ does really well with simple prompts. Specific words and phrases that accurately translate what you want into the latent space are way more important than complex prompts. If you've played around with MJ much you'll know what I mean. Some words and phrases overpower everything else in the prompt. I've found that good MJ prompts are very vibe based.

A_D_E_P_T 4y ago
Damn, you're right.
- furyofantares 4y ago
  I think the really long prompts persist because it's a lot of iterating and waiting (and/or fast hours) to try to pare it down and figure out which parts worked, which you could instead use making more images.
  - ZephyrBlu 4y ago
    Honestly I'm not sure why people use such long prompts. I find it way easier to iterate on prompts when they're short and you just change a few key words to find the words that have the biggest impact on the generated images. It's really easy to fire off a bunch of prompts and queue a bunch of MJ jobs.
    - xnx 4y ago
      Seems to be a lot of superstition around prompts. Using longer prompts makes it feel like you're really casting a complex spell that makes you more advanced than a new user.
      - ChatGTP 4y ago
        That’s because we’ve sucked all joy out of creating something, so now we’re trying to create interesting prompts to feel creative again, it’s quite simple no ?
        krisoft 4y ago
        > That’s because we’ve sucked all joy out of creating something Did we? Go grab a brush and some paint and create. The joy always come from the inside. If you can't seem to find it anymore inward is where you should look for it.
        ChatGTP 4y ago
        Of course I do this. Just don’t be surprised if people want to try be more expressive with MJ.
        CodexArcana 4y ago
        I think people can't believe it's really as simple as it is. If it's that simple, then there is no sacred knowledge, nothing to gatekeep, nothing to be the "expert" on. It means there are no novel methods or processes to discover. There is nothing to "learn" other than the syntax and a large enough vocabulary to describe what you're imagining. There are prompt books and prompt sites where you can buy them a dollar at a time. The hustle culture has built this fog of fake complexity and hidden methods in order to prop up their little cottage industry. Every AI Guy on TikTok has a way to "maximize your productivity with GPT" so you can "Start an AI company". We haven't sucked the joy out of creating things, we've just tried to further commodify the process of creating and in turn spun a web of myths and lore where there didn't need to be any.
        CatWChainsaw 4y ago
        >We haven't sucked the joy out of creating things, we've just tried to further commodify the process of creating and in turn spun a web of myths and lore where there didn't need to be any. So... we've sucked the joy out of it.
- ZephyrBlu 4y ago
  You can probably reduce the prompt even further and still generate very similar images tbh.
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Kaijo 4y ago
I've been experimenting a lot with both very simple and complex prompts. I think they both have their use cases. In the example you've replicated the desired image is quite generic. You aren't aiming for a very particular subject doing a particular thing, perhaps both quite obscure, with a particular composition and positional relation, a precise palette etc. But some of the most thought-provoking results I get from Midjourney are with short, quasi-macaronic prompts [1]. I know enough botanical and zoological nomenclature to conjure fantastic lifeforms close to what's in my imagination, by contriving Latin binomials that just sound right. I can also give certain subjects the cultural flavor I want by making up nonsense words that sound like Swahili, French, Finnish or whatever, in situation where actually including the language name, or real words from the language, take the image in the wrong direction. I had some GPU hours left to burn up the other day and even figured out how to make a short Midjourney animation with dozens of images in a smooth sequence. There are ways of very carefully stepping around local bits of the latent space. [1] https://www.unite.ai/the-nonsense-language-that-could-subvert-image-synthesis-moderation-systems/ https://www.unite.ai/the-nonsense-language-that-could-subver...
Paul-Craft 4y ago
> Some words and phrases overpower everything else in the prompt. I've found that good MJ prompts are very vibe based. Are you talking about stuff like the trick of adding "artstation," or "in the style of..." or "taken with a blah blah lens/camera?" That all sounds like it generally comes from bias in the training data set to me. It doesn't make it any less valid an observation or any less useful, but I wonder if A) that is the case, and B) if it's hinting at the idea that training these things on source data that was initially generated by humans is going to create some kind of limitation in what they can do.
- ZephyrBlu 4y ago
  No, I mean sometimes particular subjects or adjectives will overpower everything else in the prompt. For example, I tried some weird stonehenge prompts like "mcdonalds in stonehenge" and "stonehenge as mcdonalds store". Stonehenge completely overpowers McDonalds in generated images. Another example, when I prompt with "squad of space marines" I get tabletop warhammer figurines. However, when I prompt with just "space marines" I get really nice art. It's easy to accidentally slip into a different part of the latent space. The same thing tends to happen with particular adjectives and descriptors as well (E.g. colour, material, texture). This is a good thing if you can figure out words that translate your idea into the latent space well, but it can make controlling the output tricky sometimes.
  - pmoriarty 4y ago
    You might want to experiment with repeating the parts of the prompt you want to emphasize, and putting those parts in the front of the prompt, while putting the parts you want to deemphasize near the end.
    - ZephyrBlu 4y ago
      Have you done this? Based on my experience so far that doesn't feel like how MJ works. I've tried using weights with ::, but that feels like a bandaid fix most of the time.
  - 4y ago
pmoriarty 4y ago
> MJ does really well with simple prompts. Simple prompts can definitely get good results, but they tend to be much more generic than what you can get with complex prompts.
- ZephyrBlu 4y ago
  Do you have any examples of unique images generated with complex prompts? I'm curious what a unique image and complex prompt looks like to you.

A_D_E_P_T 4y ago

Damn, you're right.

furyofantares 4y ago
I think the really long prompts persist because it's a lot of iterating and waiting (and/or fast hours) to try to pare it down and figure out which parts worked, which you could instead use making more images.
- ZephyrBlu 4y ago
  Honestly I'm not sure why people use such long prompts. I find it way easier to iterate on prompts when they're short and you just change a few key words to find the words that have the biggest impact on the generated images. It's really easy to fire off a bunch of prompts and queue a bunch of MJ jobs.
  - xnx 4y ago
    Seems to be a lot of superstition around prompts. Using longer prompts makes it feel like you're really casting a complex spell that makes you more advanced than a new user.
    - ChatGTP 4y ago
      That’s because we’ve sucked all joy out of creating something, so now we’re trying to create interesting prompts to feel creative again, it’s quite simple no ?
      - krisoft 4y ago
        > That’s because we’ve sucked all joy out of creating something Did we? Go grab a brush and some paint and create. The joy always come from the inside. If you can't seem to find it anymore inward is where you should look for it.
        ChatGTP 4y ago
        Of course I do this. Just don’t be surprised if people want to try be more expressive with MJ.
      - CodexArcana 4y ago
        I think people can't believe it's really as simple as it is. If it's that simple, then there is no sacred knowledge, nothing to gatekeep, nothing to be the "expert" on. It means there are no novel methods or processes to discover. There is nothing to "learn" other than the syntax and a large enough vocabulary to describe what you're imagining. There are prompt books and prompt sites where you can buy them a dollar at a time. The hustle culture has built this fog of fake complexity and hidden methods in order to prop up their little cottage industry. Every AI Guy on TikTok has a way to "maximize your productivity with GPT" so you can "Start an AI company". We haven't sucked the joy out of creating things, we've just tried to further commodify the process of creating and in turn spun a web of myths and lore where there didn't need to be any.
        CatWChainsaw 4y ago
        >We haven't sucked the joy out of creating things, we've just tried to further commodify the process of creating and in turn spun a web of myths and lore where there didn't need to be any. So... we've sucked the joy out of it.
ZephyrBlu 4y ago
You can probably reduce the prompt even further and still generate very similar images tbh.
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Kaijo 4y ago

I've been experimenting a lot with both very simple and complex prompts. I think they both have their use cases. In the example you've replicated the desired image is quite generic. You aren't aiming for a very particular subject doing a particular thing, perhaps both quite obscure, with a particular composition and positional relation, a precise palette etc. But some of the most thought-provoking results I get from Midjourney are with short, quasi-macaronic prompts [1]. I know enough botanical and zoological nomenclature to conjure fantastic lifeforms close to what's in my imagination, by contriving Latin binomials that just sound right. I can also give certain subjects the cultural flavor I want by making up nonsense words that sound like Swahili, French, Finnish or whatever, in situation where actually including the language name, or real words from the language, take the image in the wrong direction. I had some GPU hours left to burn up the other day and even figured out how to make a short Midjourney animation with dozens of images in a smooth sequence. There are ways of very carefully stepping around local bits of the latent space. [1] https://www.unite.ai/the-nonsense-language-that-could-subvert-image-synthesis-moderation-systems/ https://www.unite.ai/the-nonsense-language-that-could-subver...

Paul-Craft 4y ago

> Some words and phrases overpower everything else in the prompt. I've found that good MJ prompts are very vibe based. Are you talking about stuff like the trick of adding "artstation," or "in the style of..." or "taken with a blah blah lens/camera?" That all sounds like it generally comes from bias in the training data set to me. It doesn't make it any less valid an observation or any less useful, but I wonder if A) that is the case, and B) if it's hinting at the idea that training these things on source data that was initially generated by humans is going to create some kind of limitation in what they can do.

ZephyrBlu 4y ago
No, I mean sometimes particular subjects or adjectives will overpower everything else in the prompt. For example, I tried some weird stonehenge prompts like "mcdonalds in stonehenge" and "stonehenge as mcdonalds store". Stonehenge completely overpowers McDonalds in generated images. Another example, when I prompt with "squad of space marines" I get tabletop warhammer figurines. However, when I prompt with just "space marines" I get really nice art. It's easy to accidentally slip into a different part of the latent space. The same thing tends to happen with particular adjectives and descriptors as well (E.g. colour, material, texture). This is a good thing if you can figure out words that translate your idea into the latent space well, but it can make controlling the output tricky sometimes.
- pmoriarty 4y ago
  You might want to experiment with repeating the parts of the prompt you want to emphasize, and putting those parts in the front of the prompt, while putting the parts you want to deemphasize near the end.
  - ZephyrBlu 4y ago
    Have you done this? Based on my experience so far that doesn't feel like how MJ works. I've tried using weights with ::, but that feels like a bandaid fix most of the time.
- 4y ago

pmoriarty 4y ago

> MJ does really well with simple prompts. Simple prompts can definitely get good results, but they tend to be much more generic than what you can get with complex prompts.

ZephyrBlu 4y ago
Do you have any examples of unique images generated with complex prompts? I'm curious what a unique image and complex prompt looks like to you.