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The Anti-Abortion Movement Just Made a Powerful New Enemy

15 points by tapper 3y ago

quantified 3y ago
A religious group that believes all disease is God's handiwork and people sin when they try to undo it can grind all medicine to a halt. Everything has a side effect that harms someone, even penicillin which encourages sex since it allowed syphilis to be cured.
- rayiner 3y ago
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  - tonymillion 3y ago
    What the fuck does that statement mean? Literally everything will kill a human in high enough concentrations. So will nothing on a long enough time frame.
  - kmos17 3y ago
    What is a complete human is the women carrying fetuses, they are human beings with bodily autonomy and the ability to feel and reason. A fetus is very far from a complete human.
    - rayiner 3y ago
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      - quantified 3y ago
        "Development" means it's not complete, doesn't it? And not all the pieces are there yet, see [https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/7247-fetal-development-stages-of-growth https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/7247-fetal-de...]
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      - dctoedt 3y ago
        > “Bodily autonomy” is not a scientific concept, it’s a philosophical one. It does not negate what a fetus is scientifically. Limiting the "what is a complete human" inquiry to the realm of genetics is itself a philosophical concept.
- brokenmachine 3y ago
  I'm not too worried if that group practices what they preach and forgo all modern medicine. Also modern food engineering. Enjoy your easily preventable deaths, losers! But none of them actually practice what they preach... they just pick and choose when it suits... That is the gospel truth, but I'll choose to interpret that as a metaphor...
rayiner 3y ago
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- zamnos 3y ago
  The way you phrased it kind of dismisses the difference between bad and good though. On one side there are the Sacklers getting people hooked on what amounts to legal heroin, which evolves into an addition to illegal street heroin and really is a detriment to society (though society having caused that with changing prescription regimes is also very much to blame). On side of good is the pharmaceutical companies selling, no shit, cures for a specific type of cancer in a pill. One is trying to reduce their sentence from having done bad things; using their influence for their own selfish benefit, and the other is trying to make it so they can help people more - using their influence for the greater good. There's a distinction between the two that I can make out, anyway.
local_crmdgeon 3y ago
I love Big Pharma now!
DoreenMichele 3y ago
Excerpt: U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk’s lawless and unprecedented decision ordering the Food and Drug Administration to revoke approval of mifepristone, the first drug in a medication abortion, poses an existential threat to the entire industry: If upheld, the order would allow any doctor to file a lawsuit compelling the FDA to revoke approval of any drug they dislike. If any such suit succeeds, a single, handpicked judge could overrule the FDA’s scientific determinations and issue a nationwide block on that medication. The drug need not have anything to do with reproductive health: vaccines, antibiotics, antidepressants, hormones, statins, painkillers—all are vulnerable under Kacsmaryk’s decision. It's actually an interesting read.
ZooCow 3y ago
Here’s the decision being referenced: https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/myvmojgodvr/ND%20Texas%20Abortion%20Pill%20Ruling%202023-04-07.pdf https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/myvmojgodvr/...
RecycledEle 3y ago
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15 points by tapper 3y ago

A religious group that believes all disease is God's handiwork and people sin when they try to undo it can grind all medicine to a halt. Everything has a side effect that harms someone, even penicillin which encourages sex since it allowed syphilis to be cured.

rayiner 3y ago
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- tonymillion 3y ago
  What the fuck does that statement mean? Literally everything will kill a human in high enough concentrations. So will nothing on a long enough time frame.
- kmos17 3y ago
  What is a complete human is the women carrying fetuses, they are human beings with bodily autonomy and the ability to feel and reason. A fetus is very far from a complete human.
  - rayiner 3y ago
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    - quantified 3y ago
      "Development" means it's not complete, doesn't it? And not all the pieces are there yet, see [https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/7247-fetal-development-stages-of-growth https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/7247-fetal-de...]
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    - dctoedt 3y ago
      > “Bodily autonomy” is not a scientific concept, it’s a philosophical one. It does not negate what a fetus is scientifically. Limiting the "what is a complete human" inquiry to the realm of genetics is itself a philosophical concept.
brokenmachine 3y ago
I'm not too worried if that group practices what they preach and forgo all modern medicine. Also modern food engineering. Enjoy your easily preventable deaths, losers! But none of them actually practice what they preach... they just pick and choose when it suits... That is the gospel truth, but I'll choose to interpret that as a metaphor...

rayiner 3y ago

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zamnos 3y ago
The way you phrased it kind of dismisses the difference between bad and good though. On one side there are the Sacklers getting people hooked on what amounts to legal heroin, which evolves into an addition to illegal street heroin and really is a detriment to society (though society having caused that with changing prescription regimes is also very much to blame). On side of good is the pharmaceutical companies selling, no shit, cures for a specific type of cancer in a pill. One is trying to reduce their sentence from having done bad things; using their influence for their own selfish benefit, and the other is trying to make it so they can help people more - using their influence for the greater good. There's a distinction between the two that I can make out, anyway.

local_crmdgeon 3y ago

I love Big Pharma now!

DoreenMichele 3y ago

Excerpt: U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk’s lawless and unprecedented decision ordering the Food and Drug Administration to revoke approval of mifepristone, the first drug in a medication abortion, poses an existential threat to the entire industry: If upheld, the order would allow any doctor to file a lawsuit compelling the FDA to revoke approval of any drug they dislike. If any such suit succeeds, a single, handpicked judge could overrule the FDA’s scientific determinations and issue a nationwide block on that medication. The drug need not have anything to do with reproductive health: vaccines, antibiotics, antidepressants, hormones, statins, painkillers—all are vulnerable under Kacsmaryk’s decision. It's actually an interesting read.

ZooCow 3y ago

Here’s the decision being referenced: https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/myvmojgodvr/ND%20Texas%20Abortion%20Pill%20Ruling%202023-04-07.pdf https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/myvmojgodvr/...

RecycledEle 3y ago

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