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I am shocked that so many people in this thread are okay with this. This is a terrifying bill. This will create the stage for it to be acceptable for companies

I am shocked that so many people in this thread are okay with this. This is a terrifying bill. This will create the stage for it to be acceptable for companies to ask for ID to create an account. This will end up with the death of anonymity on the internet. Signal will require an ID. Hacker News will require an ID. Reddit will require an ID. Stack Overflow will require an ID. 4chan will be illegal to operate. Your google account may eventually require an ID This is a really slippery slope. Maybe I am overly paranoid, but this seems like really dangerous legislation. I agree that social media is pretty harmful in its current instantiation, but lets start with banning phones at school rather than removing anonymity for every site that "could harm kids".

yamtaddle 4y ago
> lets start with banning phones at school Too many parents hate such bans—or even just heavier restrictions—a whole bunch. Otherwise, districts would already do this. Most of the educators would really, really rather phones were banned or their use heavily restricted, and those restrictions enforced. It's a fucking mess in schools right now, as far as phone use goes. Distractions, cheating, kids taking creep-shots of their peers (or of teachers....) or using photos or videos captured in what should be a safe environment to magnify the effects and scope of bullying (think: the difference between accidentally wearing a stained shirt to school one day and getting laughed at, and the same thing happening but also you become a "meme" image shared around the rest of your school career, as the Stained Shirt Kid—now consider all the things that might apply to beyond a stained shirt, and let that sense of dawning horror sink in). Parents are the ones preventing bans—things aren't the way they are because schools want it to be that way.
krapp 4y ago
>I am shocked that so many people in this thread are okay with this. This is a terrifying bill. This will create the stage for it to be acceptable for companies to ask for ID to create an account. I mean, between the solid decade of right-wing propaganda against social media and HN's general cynical contempt for modernity it shouldn't be surprising. Plenty of people here would gleefully welcome any degree of authoritarianism so long as it hurts social media. Of course if it's any platform trying to stop child porn or racism or violence against gay and trans people, Hacker News always stands united in the name of absolute freedom, regardless of the consequences. But social media? Burn it all down and salt the earth.
sharemywin 4y ago
and we thought ad tracking was bad now.
AHOHA 4y ago
Nope, you are not paranoid, that’s exactly what will happen, since the patriot act, both “Terrorism” and “not the children” are the main excuses to undermine and attack privacy online, soon you won’t be able to use any online services without attaching your ID, but that’s only temporary until they make the digital ID -in Canada there’s already a bill about it (1)-, hence the push for it especially after covid digital passports and how they can be used to attack such privacy (2), and making the process of violating this anonymity easier, but the worst part in my opinion isn’t just the online side, but the offline one, as soon as such digital ID is implemented, the gap between the online usage and offline one will vanish, your bank account and taxes are linked to what you post online for example, and just a single query on your name and all what you do online and offline is on screen. (1) https://citizenlab.ca/2021/04/bill-c-11-explained/ https://citizenlab.ca/2021/04/bill-c-11-explained/ (2) https://www.biometricupdate.com/202206/canada-us-officials-see-opportunity-for-digital-id-after-pandemic https://www.biometricupdate.com/202206/canada-us-officials-s...

yamtaddle 4y ago

> lets start with banning phones at school Too many parents hate such bans—or even just heavier restrictions—a whole bunch. Otherwise, districts would already do this. Most of the educators would really, really rather phones were banned or their use heavily restricted, and those restrictions enforced. It's a fucking mess in schools right now, as far as phone use goes. Distractions, cheating, kids taking creep-shots of their peers (or of teachers....) or using photos or videos captured in what should be a safe environment to magnify the effects and scope of bullying (think: the difference between accidentally wearing a stained shirt to school one day and getting laughed at, and the same thing happening but also you become a "meme" image shared around the rest of your school career, as the Stained Shirt Kid—now consider all the things that might apply to beyond a stained shirt, and let that sense of dawning horror sink in). Parents are the ones preventing bans—things aren't the way they are because schools want it to be that way.

krapp 4y ago

>I am shocked that so many people in this thread are okay with this. This is a terrifying bill. This will create the stage for it to be acceptable for companies to ask for ID to create an account. I mean, between the solid decade of right-wing propaganda against social media and HN's general cynical contempt for modernity it shouldn't be surprising. Plenty of people here would gleefully welcome any degree of authoritarianism so long as it hurts social media. Of course if it's any platform trying to stop child porn or racism or violence against gay and trans people, Hacker News always stands united in the name of absolute freedom, regardless of the consequences. But social media? Burn it all down and salt the earth.

sharemywin 4y ago

and we thought ad tracking was bad now.

AHOHA 4y ago

Nope, you are not paranoid, that’s exactly what will happen, since the patriot act, both “Terrorism” and “not the children” are the main excuses to undermine and attack privacy online, soon you won’t be able to use any online services without attaching your ID, but that’s only temporary until they make the digital ID -in Canada there’s already a bill about it (1)-, hence the push for it especially after covid digital passports and how they can be used to attack such privacy (2), and making the process of violating this anonymity easier, but the worst part in my opinion isn’t just the online side, but the offline one, as soon as such digital ID is implemented, the gap between the online usage and offline one will vanish, your bank account and taxes are linked to what you post online for example, and just a single query on your name and all what you do online and offline is on screen. (1) https://citizenlab.ca/2021/04/bill-c-11-explained/ https://citizenlab.ca/2021/04/bill-c-11-explained/ (2) https://www.biometricupdate.com/202206/canada-us-officials-see-opportunity-for-digital-id-after-pandemic https://www.biometricupdate.com/202206/canada-us-officials-s...