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The page clearly outlines the need for the app, listening to audio in the dark. The app isn't the only way to satisfy that need. If you have some alternative w

by slg 4y ago

The page clearly outlines the need for the app, listening to audio in the dark. The app isn't the only way to satisfy that need. If you have some alternative way to address that need which you think is better, then maybe the app isn't for you.

neogodless 4y ago
We're not discussing whether the app is for me. We're discussing whether the information was presented in a good way for determining whether the app was good for me, and my opinion is that it was not. Even if the app was for me, I could've determined that much more readily if the author led with the problem "wanting audio from a smart TV with the screen off." Paragraph 6 is not the optimal location for a description of the problem being solved.
- slg 4y ago
  >why are you using the TV to listen to music or a podcast? Can't you use a different device? It still wasn't clear why you needed the TV on but blank after reading that. Why not grab headphones or use a bluetooth speaker? Why use the TV, which probably has terrible built-in speakers? That was from your original comment. You seem to be wanting to discuss the effectiveness of the app rather than the information presented. As I said in the other reply, people with this need will immediately understand the use case. The people here being confused about why anyone would want this app are confused because they aren't familiar with this need in which case they aren't the audience for this app anyway.
  - hervature 4y ago
    I think you are being unreasonable with the OP. The reason why this is confusing is not because some people want to listen to podcasts on their TV. The Apple TV comes with the podcast app preinstalled. The reason this is confusing is having a second audio input connected to the same audio system that needs the Apple TV on. The solution solves a very real world problem that has nothing to do with user preferences. The app is actually terrible at listening to podcasts in the dark because the podcast player is on a completely separate device. That's the confusing part.
    - evandale 4y ago
      I don't think they are and OP is demonstrating something I'm seeing more and more on the internet that's getting to be really prevalent and annoying. presents product oblivious_user: I don't get this? Why don't you do xyz? This provides me no value? What am I supposed to do with this? happy_user: If you're in situation abc and don't wish to do xyz this app can help. If you don't see the value in this product you're probably not the target market. oblivious_user: but why would anyone use this!? Just use xyz for crying out loud! I looked at this page for 5 seconds and I can't figure out what is does! This product sucks and they're not doing a good job convincing me I need it so nobody should need it! happy_user: I literally told you the use case in my previous comment. oblivious_user: It's still a stupid idea with a poor presentation. Use xyz and your life will be better! It's really really annoying. Everything doesn't have to be made for everyone. If you don't have a use case for a product and you don't understand why anyone else would use a product then the product isn't for you. It's so exhausting seeing Internet commenters confused over the popularity of a product that they have no use for because they don't understand it or they prefer xyz to abc when the product IS abc...
      - zeven7 4y ago
        This reminds me of the following all-to-common StackOverflow interaction: dev: <tries to figure out how to do abc. Due to various limitations, dev comes to the conclusion that the best way to do abc is using def. Explaining everything involved in abc is a lot of work, and dev just wants to ask about def> How can I do def? stackoverflow: Don't do def, it's bad. Have you considered xyz? dev: xyz isn't what I want. I really just want to do def. stackoverflow: Don't do def, do lmnop. dev: lmnop won't solve my problem. I just want to do def. stackoverflow: No you shouldn't do def.
        alanbernstein 4y ago
        I'm amused at your description, since a common term for this is actually "XY problem" (https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-x...)

by slg 4y ago

neogodless 4y ago

We're not discussing whether the app is for me. We're discussing whether the information was presented in a good way for determining whether the app was good for me, and my opinion is that it was not. Even if the app was for me, I could've determined that much more readily if the author led with the problem "wanting audio from a smart TV with the screen off." Paragraph 6 is not the optimal location for a description of the problem being solved.

slg 4y ago
>why are you using the TV to listen to music or a podcast? Can't you use a different device? It still wasn't clear why you needed the TV on but blank after reading that. Why not grab headphones or use a bluetooth speaker? Why use the TV, which probably has terrible built-in speakers? That was from your original comment. You seem to be wanting to discuss the effectiveness of the app rather than the information presented. As I said in the other reply, people with this need will immediately understand the use case. The people here being confused about why anyone would want this app are confused because they aren't familiar with this need in which case they aren't the audience for this app anyway.
- hervature 4y ago
  I think you are being unreasonable with the OP. The reason why this is confusing is not because some people want to listen to podcasts on their TV. The Apple TV comes with the podcast app preinstalled. The reason this is confusing is having a second audio input connected to the same audio system that needs the Apple TV on. The solution solves a very real world problem that has nothing to do with user preferences. The app is actually terrible at listening to podcasts in the dark because the podcast player is on a completely separate device. That's the confusing part.
  - evandale 4y ago
    I don't think they are and OP is demonstrating something I'm seeing more and more on the internet that's getting to be really prevalent and annoying. presents product oblivious_user: I don't get this? Why don't you do xyz? This provides me no value? What am I supposed to do with this? happy_user: If you're in situation abc and don't wish to do xyz this app can help. If you don't see the value in this product you're probably not the target market. oblivious_user: but why would anyone use this!? Just use xyz for crying out loud! I looked at this page for 5 seconds and I can't figure out what is does! This product sucks and they're not doing a good job convincing me I need it so nobody should need it! happy_user: I literally told you the use case in my previous comment. oblivious_user: It's still a stupid idea with a poor presentation. Use xyz and your life will be better! It's really really annoying. Everything doesn't have to be made for everyone. If you don't have a use case for a product and you don't understand why anyone else would use a product then the product isn't for you. It's so exhausting seeing Internet commenters confused over the popularity of a product that they have no use for because they don't understand it or they prefer xyz to abc when the product IS abc...
    - zeven7 4y ago
      This reminds me of the following all-to-common StackOverflow interaction: dev: <tries to figure out how to do abc. Due to various limitations, dev comes to the conclusion that the best way to do abc is using def. Explaining everything involved in abc is a lot of work, and dev just wants to ask about def> How can I do def? stackoverflow: Don't do def, it's bad. Have you considered xyz? dev: xyz isn't what I want. I really just want to do def. stackoverflow: Don't do def, do lmnop. dev: lmnop won't solve my problem. I just want to do def. stackoverflow: No you shouldn't do def.
      - alanbernstein 4y ago
        I'm amused at your description, since a common term for this is actually "XY problem" (https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-x...)