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Another example of the peril of central planning and total authority. Make me think of the climate change orthodoxy were we focus solely on co2 and forget abou

by alfor 4y ago

Another example of the peril of central planning and total authority. Make me think of the climate change orthodoxy were we focus solely on co2 and forget about all the other human problems.

jemmyw 4y ago
Not really. Climate change is a multiplier or interwoven with lot of those other problems. Plus burning fossil fuels is so central to our economies that we haven't even stopped co2 emissions rising. If we'd actually focused on co2, rather than the less than minimum effort made so far, then maybe there'd be more space for the other problems. Instead this one problem looms larger and larger.
- alfor 4y ago
  Look into the work of Tony Seba: renewable are on an exponential growth. Tesla Master plan 3 highlight the step needed to fully transition Bjorn Longburgh explain in his book and interview what are the different priorities and costs associated with the different way we can do good in the world. I am super into renewable, but climate change will not be a problem at the current speed of innovation. We should focus on making the poor richer so they then can care about the environment. We should also tell young people to have kids, that there is not too many people on the planet and we should be way more careful with the risks of nuclear war. Not too long ago we were afraid of widespread famine in the 2000 and the return of Ice age, and probably many others thing.
  - ericd 4y ago
    Does he have a good answer for the problem of overgeneration during the summer months, and undergeneration in winter? If you run the numbers on battery energy density, cost, and what it takes to run an efficient heat pump, it seems clear that renewables alone aren’t quite a solution yet. I’d love to be wrong, though.
    - alfor 4y ago
      I don’t know for Musk, for Seba the solution now is overgeneration: it’s more cost effective to have excess solar than to have enough batteries. The advantage is that you have period were you have free energy if a business find a way to use it. He think that as that become common more more business will find ways to take advantage of it: H2 generation, heat storage, steel/ciment, and other things we are yet to find. I came to the same conclusion when I installed solar on my motorhome, it’s was way more effective to install "too much" solar so that I have enough for the night of a gray and cold winter day. Otherwise I would had to pay 10X more in lithium batteries. In a summer sunny day I use a fraction of the power. hopefully with a large grid and many free agent and an efficient market the free energy will find uses.
kelseyfrog 4y ago
On the other side of the coin is the anarchy of thought that exists around COVID. It's almost like humans societies are a complex series of trade offs irreducible to the simplicities of total authority or total anarchy.

by alfor 4y ago

Another example of the peril of central planning and total authority. Make me think of the climate change orthodoxy were we focus solely on co2 and forget about all the other human problems.

jemmyw 4y ago

Not really. Climate change is a multiplier or interwoven with lot of those other problems. Plus burning fossil fuels is so central to our economies that we haven't even stopped co2 emissions rising. If we'd actually focused on co2, rather than the less than minimum effort made so far, then maybe there'd be more space for the other problems. Instead this one problem looms larger and larger.

alfor 4y ago
Look into the work of Tony Seba: renewable are on an exponential growth. Tesla Master plan 3 highlight the step needed to fully transition Bjorn Longburgh explain in his book and interview what are the different priorities and costs associated with the different way we can do good in the world. I am super into renewable, but climate change will not be a problem at the current speed of innovation. We should focus on making the poor richer so they then can care about the environment. We should also tell young people to have kids, that there is not too many people on the planet and we should be way more careful with the risks of nuclear war. Not too long ago we were afraid of widespread famine in the 2000 and the return of Ice age, and probably many others thing.
- ericd 4y ago
  Does he have a good answer for the problem of overgeneration during the summer months, and undergeneration in winter? If you run the numbers on battery energy density, cost, and what it takes to run an efficient heat pump, it seems clear that renewables alone aren’t quite a solution yet. I’d love to be wrong, though.
  - alfor 4y ago
    I don’t know for Musk, for Seba the solution now is overgeneration: it’s more cost effective to have excess solar than to have enough batteries. The advantage is that you have period were you have free energy if a business find a way to use it. He think that as that become common more more business will find ways to take advantage of it: H2 generation, heat storage, steel/ciment, and other things we are yet to find. I came to the same conclusion when I installed solar on my motorhome, it’s was way more effective to install "too much" solar so that I have enough for the night of a gray and cold winter day. Otherwise I would had to pay 10X more in lithium batteries. In a summer sunny day I use a fraction of the power. hopefully with a large grid and many free agent and an efficient market the free energy will find uses.

kelseyfrog 4y ago

On the other side of the coin is the anarchy of thought that exists around COVID. It's almost like humans societies are a complex series of trade offs irreducible to the simplicities of total authority or total anarchy.