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> Your arguments boil down to simply gaslighting smart people that their life experience is somehow completely inaccurate, unrepresentative, or misinterpreted.
by runarberg 4y ago
> Your arguments boil down to simply gaslighting smart people that their life experience is somehow completely inaccurate, unrepresentative, or misinterpreted.
So what if I am? Smart people aren’t owed any special place in the theory of cognition. High IQ does not need to be at the center of anything. You shouldn’t be treated as special, because you aren’t (or more accurately, what makes you special is not your intelligence, and certainly not your IQ).
Magnus Carlsen intelligence is not what makes Magnus Carslon special, what makes him special is an extraordinary skill in a very specialized sport. He has spent decades perfecting this skill. Yes, he might have some preconditions which he inherited that makes it particularly easy for him to acquire these skills, skills like the ability to remember a large opening repertoire, to visualize a large number of available positions in a short time, to search among these positions and select which ones are more likely to lead to a favorable positions, etc.
Cognitive scientists study these preconditions, and most assume there is a level of inheritance to many if not all of them. However most (but not all) cognitive scientists don’t group all of these skills together and call it intelligence, they simply study what they see. Also if you search on google scholar you may find somebody looking for the heritability factor of a particular visualization skill, however most of the field simply doesn’t care, because it doesn’t matter in most theories of behavior.
Whatever you call intelligence is bound to be arbitrarily picked from a much larger set of cognitive skills. Now Spearman believed these all correlated in what he called general intelligence, but psychometricians have been trying to prove him right for now a hundred years. The scientific community at large remains unconvinced (although there was a period where his theory was more popular and more accepted).
I think the simpler explanation is true that if there is a correlation, it is superficial, and more likely arises because practicing one skill has implication in others, just like practicing for a 100 m dash, makes you better at long jump, not because there exists this platonic ideal of general intelligence that you are born with and makes you superior to other humans.
EDIT: I also want to prove you wrong in your believe that IQ isn’t studied because IQ research is shunned, it is studied plenty, has been for over a century, it is just that the research—like a b-plot in a bad movie—didn’t go anywhere.
Entering the search term: “IQ Cognitive Psychology” yields over 700 000 results, the top one being a study from 2019 that has been cited 60 times so far.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211368119300658 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S22113...
IQ studies still get plenty of attention, in my opinion they get too much attention. I’m sure Sabrina Hofstetter feels the same way about string theory.
- sfblah 4y agoI appreciate that I think you've acknowledged that genetic factors play a role in mental abilities. Debating the question of whether there's a single factor at play or multiple factors is a reasonable thing to do. Regardless of the truth there, it's pretty clear the factor or factors show significant overlap, as skill in one area of mental ability tends to predict skill in other abilities. As for your argument about IQ studies going nowhere, you're not arguing in good faith. IQ research is a third rail because it's been tied by the left to eugenics and racism. This is the same reason colleges are (at their great peril) abandoning use of the SAT.
- runarberg 4y agoSo ultimately, after all this spilled ink, the argument boils down to a debate about left-wing vs. right-wing politics. Sure, we’ve gone this far, why not continue. I just want you consider one thing: Is it really “the left’s” fault that eugenics have been tied to IQ research, or should we perhaps blame the number of eugenicists which promoted this construct. I’ll let you decide on that. But also remember that known eugenicist and disgraced psychologist Richard Lynn was on the editorial board for the science journal Intelligence until 2018, they very same journal that published the paper OP posted some 30 parent posts ago about the supposed evidence for the Reverse Flynn effect. But I’m sure you can find a way to blame that on left wing politics as well.
- sfblah 4y agoI don't know much about Richard Lynn, but I like your use of the notion that he's "disgraced." It reminds me of Mao's China. A point I'd make is this: It's obvious from what you wrote that you're left wing. I think you've admitted as much. You're now I think assuming I'm right wing, but the thing is I'm not. I'm pro-choice, voted for Biden and both Clintons, support universal health care, support repeal of the 2nd amendment, support generalized income assistance, etc. My position on IQ is actually at odds with my political compatriots. That should tell you something. Yours is not, and that's one of the reasons I know you're not arguing in good faith. It's just a religion to you.