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> This is sickening, the fuck is wrong with these people? Would you have acted differently? Specially if you risk going to jail yourself if you have to use vio

> This is sickening, the fuck is wrong with these people? Would you have acted differently? Specially if you risk going to jail yourself if you have to use violence?

johndhi 4y ago
Personally, I think my reaction to seeing extremely violent crime would be to run away and try not to get involved. I'm not going to watch the video, but that was my first thought. When bleeding homeless people have come up to me in SF (not uncommon) I usually just try to move on. I assume a similar reaction here, though I don't know if I'd have been able to tell this was a Normal Person who was dying.
- kdkdodlem 4y ago
  Being approached by bleeding homeless is not uncommon in SF? As a more rural person, the nonchalance with which you deliver that statement is _shocking_ and is sort of ironic because if I was to claim such a thing was common in SF or that it's insane that it's normalized there, my friends who live in the city would be very offended, take it personally, and tell me how wrong I am I think a lot of citizens have rose colored glasses. I just can't figure any other way to square my horrifying personal experiences in the city and anecdotes like this one with the impassioned defense the city receives whenever it is criticized
  - popcalc 4y ago
    Same goes for LA.
  - dan_quixote 4y ago
    Keep in mind that urban areas don't explicitly produce these problems. People with these problems tend to congregate in urban areas because that's where the needed services/networks/etc exist. People from rural areas have the same problems - they just tend to suffer in silence (more room to hide in rural areas) or move where they can survive more easily (urban areas).
  - johndhi 4y ago
    I might have overstated it a bit. I'd estimate that ~7 bleeding homeless people have approached and interacted with me over 10 years that I lived there. Some not so terrible (lots of scabs and kind of meth-vibe of "I've been scratching my skin for the last week"), a couple noticeably bad (wearing wrapped hospital-looking badges on the head and concerning-looking open wound on arm). I've probably SEEN, from a greater distance, I don't know... 100 homeless people in pretty desperate-looking situations. I don't know. It's the worst in SF I've seen in any city, but I haven't spend a ton of time in LA's skid row. In India, I saw a lot of limbless and child beggars, including a pair of kids who were intentionally whipping themselves for donations [0], but I've felt more "afraid" in US than in India, where it's more "this is sad." [0] - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/driven-by-necessity-where-every-lash-brings-money/articleshow/64791513.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/driven-by-n...
- roleur 4y ago
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panarky 4y ago
People aren't routinely imprisoned for using violence when required to save their life or the lives of others.
- CodeWriter23 4y ago
  Not true in districts subject to color revolution operators in the DA’s office.
  - panarky 4y ago
    Data please, and one anecdote is not data.
    - mannerheim 4y ago
      All people need is hearing about a single case of somebody being punished for self-defence (and not even necessarily with imprisonment if the judicial process is painful enough) to turn them off from sticking their neck out.
    - CodeWriter23 4y ago
      Wow. People’s lives are not anecdotes. But try googling / paying attention, I’m not your research assistant.
      - panarky 4y ago
        Nice! A tacit admission you have zero facts to back up your claim.
        baremetal 4y ago
        https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/houston/2023/01/10/440914/grand-jury-to-determine-whether-to-bring-charges-against-houston-taqueria-customer-who-shot-attempted-robber/ https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/houston/202...
- 4y ago
FeistySkink 4y ago
I helped carry a semi-passed out homeless-looking man in an undefined state to an ambulance uphill through snow this winter. Not sure if he had any injuries, but he wasn't cooperative.
the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
I am pretty sure I might have ignored this in San Francisco, but probably not in other cities. I have walked next to people that looked injured, and harmed before in SF and not batted an eye, because nobody else did. It quite frankly is a city that numbs you to human suffering on the street.
CodeWriter23 4y ago
Yes. I would have secured my door and window, opened the passenger door and and said “get in”.
kspacewalk2 4y ago
Yes I would have acted differently. I would call 911.
- pokeypokes 4y ago
  Seriously, I'm shocked at these other replies. How can you see someone like this and not help? Nobody is asking anyone to get in a knife fight, but at the very least call someone. If I just left someone to die like that it would be hard to look in the mirror after.
BrotherBisquick 4y ago
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grecy 4y ago
Where I live it's impossible to imagine not stopping for someone with their hood open on the side of the road, let alone if they were physically injured. Big snow days are so much fun, with everyone helping to dig and push each other out of big snow banks, grinning and laughing. Communities are made of people who look out for each other. If you put enough people together who don't, you've created something else entirely.
KrugerDunnings 4y ago
I once tried helping a drunken homeless man that was throwing up blood at 1 in the morning when I was on my way to the office to pick up some paperwork. My phone died the moment I took it out of my pocket to call an ambulance. I spend the next 30 minutes trying to get the guy help including calling the intercom of a hospice/clinic around the corner. I ended up talking to another homeless woman who impersonated a doctor on the intercom of the hospice to get them to call an ambulance.
AnimalMuppet 4y ago
Would and have. I was in a bad part of town (not SF) at night, and two people flagged me down on the street. When I stopped (door locked, window down half an inch, in gear and ready to peel out), one stayed in the middle of the street, and the other walked over and said, "My buddy's been stabbed. Can you get us to the hospital?" So I drove them to the ER. Another time this guy was screaming on the street, with blood running down his face. He'd been mugged, and the mugger pistol-whipped him when he didn't have anything worth taking. I took him to the ER, too. I'm rather grateful to him - he used my kleenex to avoid turning my passenger seat into a biohazard area. Not a drop on my seat or floor.
jacooper 4y ago
I mean you can just call 911? Unless that is also broken in SF

> This is sickening, the fuck is wrong with these people? Would you have acted differently? Specially if you risk going to jail yourself if you have to use violence?

johndhi 4y ago

Personally, I think my reaction to seeing extremely violent crime would be to run away and try not to get involved. I'm not going to watch the video, but that was my first thought. When bleeding homeless people have come up to me in SF (not uncommon) I usually just try to move on. I assume a similar reaction here, though I don't know if I'd have been able to tell this was a Normal Person who was dying.

kdkdodlem 4y ago
Being approached by bleeding homeless is not uncommon in SF? As a more rural person, the nonchalance with which you deliver that statement is _shocking_ and is sort of ironic because if I was to claim such a thing was common in SF or that it's insane that it's normalized there, my friends who live in the city would be very offended, take it personally, and tell me how wrong I am I think a lot of citizens have rose colored glasses. I just can't figure any other way to square my horrifying personal experiences in the city and anecdotes like this one with the impassioned defense the city receives whenever it is criticized
- popcalc 4y ago
  Same goes for LA.
- dan_quixote 4y ago
  Keep in mind that urban areas don't explicitly produce these problems. People with these problems tend to congregate in urban areas because that's where the needed services/networks/etc exist. People from rural areas have the same problems - they just tend to suffer in silence (more room to hide in rural areas) or move where they can survive more easily (urban areas).
- johndhi 4y ago
  I might have overstated it a bit. I'd estimate that ~7 bleeding homeless people have approached and interacted with me over 10 years that I lived there. Some not so terrible (lots of scabs and kind of meth-vibe of "I've been scratching my skin for the last week"), a couple noticeably bad (wearing wrapped hospital-looking badges on the head and concerning-looking open wound on arm). I've probably SEEN, from a greater distance, I don't know... 100 homeless people in pretty desperate-looking situations. I don't know. It's the worst in SF I've seen in any city, but I haven't spend a ton of time in LA's skid row. In India, I saw a lot of limbless and child beggars, including a pair of kids who were intentionally whipping themselves for donations [0], but I've felt more "afraid" in US than in India, where it's more "this is sad." [0] - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/driven-by-necessity-where-every-lash-brings-money/articleshow/64791513.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/driven-by-n...
roleur 4y ago
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panarky 4y ago

People aren't routinely imprisoned for using violence when required to save their life or the lives of others.

CodeWriter23 4y ago
Not true in districts subject to color revolution operators in the DA’s office.
- panarky 4y ago
  Data please, and one anecdote is not data.
  - mannerheim 4y ago
    All people need is hearing about a single case of somebody being punished for self-defence (and not even necessarily with imprisonment if the judicial process is painful enough) to turn them off from sticking their neck out.
  - CodeWriter23 4y ago
    Wow. People’s lives are not anecdotes. But try googling / paying attention, I’m not your research assistant.
    - panarky 4y ago
      Nice! A tacit admission you have zero facts to back up your claim.
      - baremetal 4y ago
        https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/houston/2023/01/10/440914/grand-jury-to-determine-whether-to-bring-charges-against-houston-taqueria-customer-who-shot-attempted-robber/ https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/houston/202...
4y ago

FeistySkink 4y ago

I helped carry a semi-passed out homeless-looking man in an undefined state to an ambulance uphill through snow this winter. Not sure if he had any injuries, but he wasn't cooperative.

the_mitsuhiko 4y ago

I am pretty sure I might have ignored this in San Francisco, but probably not in other cities. I have walked next to people that looked injured, and harmed before in SF and not batted an eye, because nobody else did. It quite frankly is a city that numbs you to human suffering on the street.

CodeWriter23 4y ago

Yes. I would have secured my door and window, opened the passenger door and and said “get in”.

kspacewalk2 4y ago

Yes I would have acted differently. I would call 911.

pokeypokes 4y ago
Seriously, I'm shocked at these other replies. How can you see someone like this and not help? Nobody is asking anyone to get in a knife fight, but at the very least call someone. If I just left someone to die like that it would be hard to look in the mirror after.

BrotherBisquick 4y ago

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grecy 4y ago

Where I live it's impossible to imagine not stopping for someone with their hood open on the side of the road, let alone if they were physically injured. Big snow days are so much fun, with everyone helping to dig and push each other out of big snow banks, grinning and laughing. Communities are made of people who look out for each other. If you put enough people together who don't, you've created something else entirely.

KrugerDunnings 4y ago

I once tried helping a drunken homeless man that was throwing up blood at 1 in the morning when I was on my way to the office to pick up some paperwork. My phone died the moment I took it out of my pocket to call an ambulance. I spend the next 30 minutes trying to get the guy help including calling the intercom of a hospice/clinic around the corner. I ended up talking to another homeless woman who impersonated a doctor on the intercom of the hospice to get them to call an ambulance.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago

Would and have. I was in a bad part of town (not SF) at night, and two people flagged me down on the street. When I stopped (door locked, window down half an inch, in gear and ready to peel out), one stayed in the middle of the street, and the other walked over and said, "My buddy's been stabbed. Can you get us to the hospital?" So I drove them to the ER. Another time this guy was screaming on the street, with blood running down his face. He'd been mugged, and the mugger pistol-whipped him when he didn't have anything worth taking. I took him to the ER, too. I'm rather grateful to him - he used my kleenex to avoid turning my passenger seat into a biohazard area. Not a drop on my seat or floor.

jacooper 4y ago

I mean you can just call 911? Unless that is also broken in SF