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> Tragic video shows dying Cash App founder Bob Lee was ignored by bystanders as he begged for help after being stabbed in San Francisco early Tuesday…Footage s

> Tragic video shows dying Cash App founder Bob Lee was ignored by bystanders as he begged for help after being stabbed in San Francisco early Tuesday…Footage showed Lee lifted his shirt to show [a] driver his two stab wounds — but collapsed to the ground as the car drove off…Lee raised one arm in an attempt to flag down [another] car and jumped back onto his feet, but the driver sped away… This is sickening, the fuck is wrong with these people?

hartator 4y ago
> This is sickening, the fuck is wrong with these people? Would you have acted differently? Specially if you risk going to jail yourself if you have to use violence?
- johndhi 4y ago
  Personally, I think my reaction to seeing extremely violent crime would be to run away and try not to get involved. I'm not going to watch the video, but that was my first thought. When bleeding homeless people have come up to me in SF (not uncommon) I usually just try to move on. I assume a similar reaction here, though I don't know if I'd have been able to tell this was a Normal Person who was dying.
  - kdkdodlem 4y ago
    Being approached by bleeding homeless is not uncommon in SF? As a more rural person, the nonchalance with which you deliver that statement is _shocking_ and is sort of ironic because if I was to claim such a thing was common in SF or that it's insane that it's normalized there, my friends who live in the city would be very offended, take it personally, and tell me how wrong I am I think a lot of citizens have rose colored glasses. I just can't figure any other way to square my horrifying personal experiences in the city and anecdotes like this one with the impassioned defense the city receives whenever it is criticized
    - popcalc 4y ago
      Same goes for LA.
    - dan_quixote 4y ago
      Keep in mind that urban areas don't explicitly produce these problems. People with these problems tend to congregate in urban areas because that's where the needed services/networks/etc exist. People from rural areas have the same problems - they just tend to suffer in silence (more room to hide in rural areas) or move where they can survive more easily (urban areas).
    - johndhi 4y ago
      I might have overstated it a bit. I'd estimate that ~7 bleeding homeless people have approached and interacted with me over 10 years that I lived there. Some not so terrible (lots of scabs and kind of meth-vibe of "I've been scratching my skin for the last week"), a couple noticeably bad (wearing wrapped hospital-looking badges on the head and concerning-looking open wound on arm). I've probably SEEN, from a greater distance, I don't know... 100 homeless people in pretty desperate-looking situations. I don't know. It's the worst in SF I've seen in any city, but I haven't spend a ton of time in LA's skid row. In India, I saw a lot of limbless and child beggars, including a pair of kids who were intentionally whipping themselves for donations [0], but I've felt more "afraid" in US than in India, where it's more "this is sad." [0] - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/driven-by-necessity-where-every-lash-brings-money/articleshow/64791513.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/driven-by-n...
  - roleur 4y ago
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- panarky 4y ago
  People aren't routinely imprisoned for using violence when required to save their life or the lives of others.
  - CodeWriter23 4y ago
    Not true in districts subject to color revolution operators in the DA’s office.
    - panarky 4y ago
      Data please, and one anecdote is not data.
      - mannerheim 4y ago
        All people need is hearing about a single case of somebody being punished for self-defence (and not even necessarily with imprisonment if the judicial process is painful enough) to turn them off from sticking their neck out.
      - CodeWriter23 4y ago
        Wow. People’s lives are not anecdotes. But try googling / paying attention, I’m not your research assistant.
        panarky 4y ago
        Nice! A tacit admission you have zero facts to back up your claim.
        baremetal 4y ago
        https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/houston/2023/01/10/440914/grand-jury-to-determine-whether-to-bring-charges-against-houston-taqueria-customer-who-shot-attempted-robber/ https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/houston/202...
  - 4y ago
- FeistySkink 4y ago
  I helped carry a semi-passed out homeless-looking man in an undefined state to an ambulance uphill through snow this winter. Not sure if he had any injuries, but he wasn't cooperative.
- the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
  I am pretty sure I might have ignored this in San Francisco, but probably not in other cities. I have walked next to people that looked injured, and harmed before in SF and not batted an eye, because nobody else did. It quite frankly is a city that numbs you to human suffering on the street.
- CodeWriter23 4y ago
  Yes. I would have secured my door and window, opened the passenger door and and said “get in”.
- kspacewalk2 4y ago
  Yes I would have acted differently. I would call 911.
  - pokeypokes 4y ago
    Seriously, I'm shocked at these other replies. How can you see someone like this and not help? Nobody is asking anyone to get in a knife fight, but at the very least call someone. If I just left someone to die like that it would be hard to look in the mirror after.
- BrotherBisquick 4y ago
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- grecy 4y ago
  Where I live it's impossible to imagine not stopping for someone with their hood open on the side of the road, let alone if they were physically injured. Big snow days are so much fun, with everyone helping to dig and push each other out of big snow banks, grinning and laughing. Communities are made of people who look out for each other. If you put enough people together who don't, you've created something else entirely.
- KrugerDunnings 4y ago
  I once tried helping a drunken homeless man that was throwing up blood at 1 in the morning when I was on my way to the office to pick up some paperwork. My phone died the moment I took it out of my pocket to call an ambulance. I spend the next 30 minutes trying to get the guy help including calling the intercom of a hospice/clinic around the corner. I ended up talking to another homeless woman who impersonated a doctor on the intercom of the hospice to get them to call an ambulance.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  Would and have. I was in a bad part of town (not SF) at night, and two people flagged me down on the street. When I stopped (door locked, window down half an inch, in gear and ready to peel out), one stayed in the middle of the street, and the other walked over and said, "My buddy's been stabbed. Can you get us to the hospital?" So I drove them to the ER. Another time this guy was screaming on the street, with blood running down his face. He'd been mugged, and the mugger pistol-whipped him when he didn't have anything worth taking. I took him to the ER, too. I'm rather grateful to him - he used my kleenex to avoid turning my passenger seat into a biohazard area. Not a drop on my seat or floor.
- jacooper 4y ago
  I mean you can just call 911? Unless that is also broken in SF
gaterin 4y ago
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tablespoon 4y ago
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- cal5k 4y ago
  > Sure, in some cases they won't be in the right place at the right time, but that's the price we pay for civilization and progress. Not coming to the aid of a man who had just been stabbed is "progress"? How would you have felt in his shoes?
  - tablespoon 4y ago
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- infamouscow 4y ago
  This was an extremely predictable and long foreseen outcome of the policies enacted by SF and DA unwilling to enforce the law. Rather than doing the work to understand the critics of these policies, SF just put their head in the sand and called everyone critical of these policies a bigot. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. The biggest problem with these stupid policies is the chilling effect that remains even if the policies are completely reversed. You can't expect anyone wants to be a police officer after all of the vitriolic hatred and demonization that have culminated to this. This isn't going to be easy to reverse any time in the next 10 - 15 years. Consequently, the think the only feasible path forward to protect the public is vigilantism.
CrackerNews 4y ago
I'm assuming low levels of trust and being scared that they could be next.
giraffe_lady 4y ago
The greater "crime in sf" conversation is ultimately about establishing that the misery in front of you is not your concern. We did this so we could feel justified in ignoring homelessness, but it will also be used to ignore you, if you're dying in the street.
- dan_quixote 4y ago
  I'm not convinced it's so nefarious. When the problem is this big, individuals eventually feel unable to help; not to mention that the mental health aspect causes people to (rightfully?) fear erratic/dangerous behavior. West Coast cities are putting massive amounts of money into the problem, but the problem is so much bigger than they can reasonably handle when people are able to move from other locales to cities with more services. It's a national problem and we're collectively blaming SF/LA/Seattle/Portland for not solving it.
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0zemp1c 4y ago
don't have a heart attack on the streets of SF...people will walk right over you I was chased by a homeless man covered in blood at 8am...not a single person even bothered making eye contact
s5300 4y ago
>>This is sickening, the fuck is wrong with these people? Lack of empathy, morality, compassion- extreme selfishness Wanting to reap all the benefits of being born in/living in a functioning society without giving anything in return… Seeing the average human around you as a walking bag of meat to be exploited for your own gain & nothing more… y’know, typical traits that seem to yield a bit more $USD over one’s lifetime.
tlogan 4y ago
> This is sickening, the fuck is wrong with these people? I do not know. I’m ashamed to say but I might do the same. You might be hit by a metal rod [1] Calling 911 will not work since police will just ignore it. [1] https://abc7news.com/amp/sf-fire-commissioner-attack-don-carmignani-san-francisco-crime-metal-pipe/13100484/ https://abc7news.com/amp/sf-fire-commissioner-attack-don-car...
KenArrari 4y ago
Probably assumed it was a some kind of trap or scam.
- Balgair 4y ago
  I mean, Jesus. Not trying to argue with you at all, but if that's the gut reaction to a man bleeding out with two stab wounds ... man, you gotta move, you're too hardened.
unzadunza 4y ago
I think people get scared and then panic. Not many folks are used to being around a person who is bleeding from a stab wound. I was walking home through a park and saw a girl who was slumped over and it looked like she was dead. My heart started pounding, for some reason it scared me pretty badly. I went and found the police and they refused to even believe me. I then found another homeless person and asked her to check (part of the reason I didn't want to go near is that I'm a male). Anyhow, I was scared.

hartator 4y ago

> This is sickening, the fuck is wrong with these people? Would you have acted differently? Specially if you risk going to jail yourself if you have to use violence?

johndhi 4y ago
Personally, I think my reaction to seeing extremely violent crime would be to run away and try not to get involved. I'm not going to watch the video, but that was my first thought. When bleeding homeless people have come up to me in SF (not uncommon) I usually just try to move on. I assume a similar reaction here, though I don't know if I'd have been able to tell this was a Normal Person who was dying.
- kdkdodlem 4y ago
  Being approached by bleeding homeless is not uncommon in SF? As a more rural person, the nonchalance with which you deliver that statement is _shocking_ and is sort of ironic because if I was to claim such a thing was common in SF or that it's insane that it's normalized there, my friends who live in the city would be very offended, take it personally, and tell me how wrong I am I think a lot of citizens have rose colored glasses. I just can't figure any other way to square my horrifying personal experiences in the city and anecdotes like this one with the impassioned defense the city receives whenever it is criticized
  - popcalc 4y ago
    Same goes for LA.
  - dan_quixote 4y ago
    Keep in mind that urban areas don't explicitly produce these problems. People with these problems tend to congregate in urban areas because that's where the needed services/networks/etc exist. People from rural areas have the same problems - they just tend to suffer in silence (more room to hide in rural areas) or move where they can survive more easily (urban areas).
  - johndhi 4y ago
    I might have overstated it a bit. I'd estimate that ~7 bleeding homeless people have approached and interacted with me over 10 years that I lived there. Some not so terrible (lots of scabs and kind of meth-vibe of "I've been scratching my skin for the last week"), a couple noticeably bad (wearing wrapped hospital-looking badges on the head and concerning-looking open wound on arm). I've probably SEEN, from a greater distance, I don't know... 100 homeless people in pretty desperate-looking situations. I don't know. It's the worst in SF I've seen in any city, but I haven't spend a ton of time in LA's skid row. In India, I saw a lot of limbless and child beggars, including a pair of kids who were intentionally whipping themselves for donations [0], but I've felt more "afraid" in US than in India, where it's more "this is sad." [0] - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/driven-by-necessity-where-every-lash-brings-money/articleshow/64791513.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/driven-by-n...
- roleur 4y ago
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panarky 4y ago
People aren't routinely imprisoned for using violence when required to save their life or the lives of others.
- CodeWriter23 4y ago
  Not true in districts subject to color revolution operators in the DA’s office.
  - panarky 4y ago
    Data please, and one anecdote is not data.
    - mannerheim 4y ago
      All people need is hearing about a single case of somebody being punished for self-defence (and not even necessarily with imprisonment if the judicial process is painful enough) to turn them off from sticking their neck out.
    - CodeWriter23 4y ago
      Wow. People’s lives are not anecdotes. But try googling / paying attention, I’m not your research assistant.
      - panarky 4y ago
        Nice! A tacit admission you have zero facts to back up your claim.
        baremetal 4y ago
        https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/houston/2023/01/10/440914/grand-jury-to-determine-whether-to-bring-charges-against-houston-taqueria-customer-who-shot-attempted-robber/ https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/houston/202...
- 4y ago
FeistySkink 4y ago
I helped carry a semi-passed out homeless-looking man in an undefined state to an ambulance uphill through snow this winter. Not sure if he had any injuries, but he wasn't cooperative.
the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
I am pretty sure I might have ignored this in San Francisco, but probably not in other cities. I have walked next to people that looked injured, and harmed before in SF and not batted an eye, because nobody else did. It quite frankly is a city that numbs you to human suffering on the street.
CodeWriter23 4y ago
Yes. I would have secured my door and window, opened the passenger door and and said “get in”.
kspacewalk2 4y ago
Yes I would have acted differently. I would call 911.
- pokeypokes 4y ago
  Seriously, I'm shocked at these other replies. How can you see someone like this and not help? Nobody is asking anyone to get in a knife fight, but at the very least call someone. If I just left someone to die like that it would be hard to look in the mirror after.
BrotherBisquick 4y ago
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grecy 4y ago
Where I live it's impossible to imagine not stopping for someone with their hood open on the side of the road, let alone if they were physically injured. Big snow days are so much fun, with everyone helping to dig and push each other out of big snow banks, grinning and laughing. Communities are made of people who look out for each other. If you put enough people together who don't, you've created something else entirely.
KrugerDunnings 4y ago
I once tried helping a drunken homeless man that was throwing up blood at 1 in the morning when I was on my way to the office to pick up some paperwork. My phone died the moment I took it out of my pocket to call an ambulance. I spend the next 30 minutes trying to get the guy help including calling the intercom of a hospice/clinic around the corner. I ended up talking to another homeless woman who impersonated a doctor on the intercom of the hospice to get them to call an ambulance.
AnimalMuppet 4y ago
Would and have. I was in a bad part of town (not SF) at night, and two people flagged me down on the street. When I stopped (door locked, window down half an inch, in gear and ready to peel out), one stayed in the middle of the street, and the other walked over and said, "My buddy's been stabbed. Can you get us to the hospital?" So I drove them to the ER. Another time this guy was screaming on the street, with blood running down his face. He'd been mugged, and the mugger pistol-whipped him when he didn't have anything worth taking. I took him to the ER, too. I'm rather grateful to him - he used my kleenex to avoid turning my passenger seat into a biohazard area. Not a drop on my seat or floor.
jacooper 4y ago
I mean you can just call 911? Unless that is also broken in SF

gaterin 4y ago

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tablespoon 4y ago

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cal5k 4y ago
> Sure, in some cases they won't be in the right place at the right time, but that's the price we pay for civilization and progress. Not coming to the aid of a man who had just been stabbed is "progress"? How would you have felt in his shoes?
- tablespoon 4y ago
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infamouscow 4y ago
This was an extremely predictable and long foreseen outcome of the policies enacted by SF and DA unwilling to enforce the law. Rather than doing the work to understand the critics of these policies, SF just put their head in the sand and called everyone critical of these policies a bigot. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. The biggest problem with these stupid policies is the chilling effect that remains even if the policies are completely reversed. You can't expect anyone wants to be a police officer after all of the vitriolic hatred and demonization that have culminated to this. This isn't going to be easy to reverse any time in the next 10 - 15 years. Consequently, the think the only feasible path forward to protect the public is vigilantism.

CrackerNews 4y ago

I'm assuming low levels of trust and being scared that they could be next.

giraffe_lady 4y ago

The greater "crime in sf" conversation is ultimately about establishing that the misery in front of you is not your concern. We did this so we could feel justified in ignoring homelessness, but it will also be used to ignore you, if you're dying in the street.

dan_quixote 4y ago
I'm not convinced it's so nefarious. When the problem is this big, individuals eventually feel unable to help; not to mention that the mental health aspect causes people to (rightfully?) fear erratic/dangerous behavior. West Coast cities are putting massive amounts of money into the problem, but the problem is so much bigger than they can reasonably handle when people are able to move from other locales to cities with more services. It's a national problem and we're collectively blaming SF/LA/Seattle/Portland for not solving it.

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0zemp1c 4y ago

don't have a heart attack on the streets of SF...people will walk right over you I was chased by a homeless man covered in blood at 8am...not a single person even bothered making eye contact

s5300 4y ago

>>This is sickening, the fuck is wrong with these people? Lack of empathy, morality, compassion- extreme selfishness Wanting to reap all the benefits of being born in/living in a functioning society without giving anything in return… Seeing the average human around you as a walking bag of meat to be exploited for your own gain & nothing more… y’know, typical traits that seem to yield a bit more $USD over one’s lifetime.

tlogan 4y ago

> This is sickening, the fuck is wrong with these people? I do not know. I’m ashamed to say but I might do the same. You might be hit by a metal rod [1] Calling 911 will not work since police will just ignore it. [1] https://abc7news.com/amp/sf-fire-commissioner-attack-don-carmignani-san-francisco-crime-metal-pipe/13100484/ https://abc7news.com/amp/sf-fire-commissioner-attack-don-car...

KenArrari 4y ago

Probably assumed it was a some kind of trap or scam.

Balgair 4y ago
I mean, Jesus. Not trying to argue with you at all, but if that's the gut reaction to a man bleeding out with two stab wounds ... man, you gotta move, you're too hardened.

unzadunza 4y ago

I think people get scared and then panic. Not many folks are used to being around a person who is bleeding from a stab wound. I was walking home through a park and saw a girl who was slumped over and it looked like she was dead. My heart started pounding, for some reason it scared me pretty badly. I went and found the police and they refused to even believe me. I then found another homeless person and asked her to check (part of the reason I didn't want to go near is that I'm a male). Anyhow, I was scared.