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From the article: > DeStefano found the voice simulation particularly unsettling given that “Brie does NOT have any public social media accounts that has her v

From the article: > DeStefano found the voice simulation particularly unsettling given that “Brie does NOT have any public social media accounts that has her voice and barely has any,” per a post on the mom’s Facebook account. > “She has a few public interviews for sports/school that have a large sampling of her voice,” described Brie’s mom. and > Then, DeStefano remembered that her 15-year-old daughter Brie was on a ski trip, so she answered the call to make sure nothing was amiss. No public social media accounts combined with the timing of the fraud happening during a ski trip implies that somebody close to the family was in on it. It's possible that they used the public sports interview and got randomly lucky with the trip timing, but I'd be looking much closer to home for a suspect.

jacquesm 4y ago
It always pays off to look for suspects close to home but I would definitely not rule out an outsider that monitors social media.
- PragmaticPulp 4y ago
  > but I would definitely not rule out an outsider that monitors social media. The part I quoted claims that she doesn't have any public social media, so that wouldn't work. That's assuming we're getting the real story, of course.
  - sebzim4500 4y ago
    I still think it is way more likely that someone posted about he trip on social media. There is basically no benefit to targeting someone you know with this sort of scam, and the risk is higher.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    When people say they 'don't have social media' it usually is a good idea to check what their definition of 'social media' is. If they have a web presence that they regularly update it doesn't really matter what the label is, it can likely be used to infer a whole bunch of stuff. I know quite a few people who claim not to have 'social media' and yet they are on LinkedIn etc. Maybe I should have used 'web presence', but I think that what I intended to convey is clear: if you have a regularly updated online identity then you are giving an impostor a lot of useful information. If there is absolutely nothing about this person online, including that they don't use any of the video chat services, no tiktok videos etc then yes, the circle of suspects would narrow accordingly. But most teens are quite active online, even if their parents aren't always aware of it.
    - PragmaticPulp 4y ago
      > When people say they 'don't have social media' it usually is a good idea to check what their definition of 'social media' is. If they have a web presence that they regularly update it doesn't really matter what the label is, it can likely be used to infer a whole bunch of stuff. They didn't deny having social media. She implied that she did have social media accounts. They said the social media accounts were non-public, aka friends-only. Hence my point: If their social media presence was friends-only, then it would imply that it's someone in the friends circle who had access to enough information.
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        I'm not using a smartphone. I have no illusions about my contact list being public because the other side is using smartphones. So you can infer my contact list from other sources. Similar mechanisms apply to other tech. Anyway, we'll see what comes out. I'm aware of a blackmail case where the perp was very close to the family so I'm sympathetic to your argument, and investigators typically only expand the net when the closest contacts can be ruled out.
    - causi 4y ago
      If they have a web presence that they regularly update it doesn't really matter what the label is, it can likely be used to infer a whole bunch of stuff. My 90s-era internet paranoia has never steered me wrong. I don't put out my real name or picture anywhere. When I mention personal details as part of a story or argument, I randomize the details, brother becoming uncle, gay becoming straight, etc. We are not far from powerful AIs being able to link every online account you've ever had together by just your unique writing style, but they can't manufacture information that simply doesn't exist. There isn't enough emphasis these days on keeping your real and electronic identities separate.
  - csours 4y ago
    It doesn't have to be the girl's social media. Friends and family post pictures and updates.
  - meragrin_ 4y ago
    > The part I quoted claims that she doesn't have any public social media, so that wouldn't work. It claims her voice is absent from her public social media, not that she does not have any social media accounts: "does NOT have any public social media accounts that has her voice". Brie herself doesn't even need to be the sole broadcaster. The mother or other family members could be contributors.
awb 4y ago
That’s true of most crimes, where it’s usually someone with a close connection to the victim: friends, family, enemies, etc.
tartuffe78 4y ago
It could be that her daughter has no social media her parents are aware of.
gretch 4y ago
>No public social media accounts combined with the timing of the fraud happening during a ski trip implies that somebody close to the family was in on it. I recommend against this type of baseless speculation. We should all do well to remember that time Reddit caught the boston bomber.
emmelaich 4y ago
A brief search shows she has a youtube channel for god's sake. Plus interviews on podcasts. With her mother. Plenty of voice samples to be had. The fact that her mother lied about this makes me start to think it's all fake.
teaearlgraycold 4y ago
The more easily dismissed instances where the timing isn’t as confidential aren’t getting big articles written about them. This isn’t the first time this scam has been attempted.
MagicMoonlight 4y ago
Or she just made it up

jacquesm 4y ago

It always pays off to look for suspects close to home but I would definitely not rule out an outsider that monitors social media.

PragmaticPulp 4y ago
> but I would definitely not rule out an outsider that monitors social media. The part I quoted claims that she doesn't have any public social media, so that wouldn't work. That's assuming we're getting the real story, of course.
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  I still think it is way more likely that someone posted about he trip on social media. There is basically no benefit to targeting someone you know with this sort of scam, and the risk is higher.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  When people say they 'don't have social media' it usually is a good idea to check what their definition of 'social media' is. If they have a web presence that they regularly update it doesn't really matter what the label is, it can likely be used to infer a whole bunch of stuff. I know quite a few people who claim not to have 'social media' and yet they are on LinkedIn etc. Maybe I should have used 'web presence', but I think that what I intended to convey is clear: if you have a regularly updated online identity then you are giving an impostor a lot of useful information. If there is absolutely nothing about this person online, including that they don't use any of the video chat services, no tiktok videos etc then yes, the circle of suspects would narrow accordingly. But most teens are quite active online, even if their parents aren't always aware of it.
  - PragmaticPulp 4y ago
    > When people say they 'don't have social media' it usually is a good idea to check what their definition of 'social media' is. If they have a web presence that they regularly update it doesn't really matter what the label is, it can likely be used to infer a whole bunch of stuff. They didn't deny having social media. She implied that she did have social media accounts. They said the social media accounts were non-public, aka friends-only. Hence my point: If their social media presence was friends-only, then it would imply that it's someone in the friends circle who had access to enough information.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      I'm not using a smartphone. I have no illusions about my contact list being public because the other side is using smartphones. So you can infer my contact list from other sources. Similar mechanisms apply to other tech. Anyway, we'll see what comes out. I'm aware of a blackmail case where the perp was very close to the family so I'm sympathetic to your argument, and investigators typically only expand the net when the closest contacts can be ruled out.
  - causi 4y ago
    If they have a web presence that they regularly update it doesn't really matter what the label is, it can likely be used to infer a whole bunch of stuff. My 90s-era internet paranoia has never steered me wrong. I don't put out my real name or picture anywhere. When I mention personal details as part of a story or argument, I randomize the details, brother becoming uncle, gay becoming straight, etc. We are not far from powerful AIs being able to link every online account you've ever had together by just your unique writing style, but they can't manufacture information that simply doesn't exist. There isn't enough emphasis these days on keeping your real and electronic identities separate.
- csours 4y ago
  It doesn't have to be the girl's social media. Friends and family post pictures and updates.
- meragrin_ 4y ago
  > The part I quoted claims that she doesn't have any public social media, so that wouldn't work. It claims her voice is absent from her public social media, not that she does not have any social media accounts: "does NOT have any public social media accounts that has her voice". Brie herself doesn't even need to be the sole broadcaster. The mother or other family members could be contributors.

awb 4y ago

That’s true of most crimes, where it’s usually someone with a close connection to the victim: friends, family, enemies, etc.

tartuffe78 4y ago

It could be that her daughter has no social media her parents are aware of.

gretch 4y ago

>No public social media accounts combined with the timing of the fraud happening during a ski trip implies that somebody close to the family was in on it. I recommend against this type of baseless speculation. We should all do well to remember that time Reddit caught the boston bomber.

emmelaich 4y ago

A brief search shows she has a youtube channel for god's sake. Plus interviews on podcasts. With her mother. Plenty of voice samples to be had. The fact that her mother lied about this makes me start to think it's all fake.

teaearlgraycold 4y ago

The more easily dismissed instances where the timing isn’t as confidential aren’t getting big articles written about them. This isn’t the first time this scam has been attempted.

MagicMoonlight 4y ago

Or she just made it up