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> Perception by non-EV buyers that charging is difficult, slow, unavailable, etc. This is what Tesla fought against at the beginning and arguably has one of the

> Perception by non-EV buyers that charging is difficult, slow, unavailable, etc. This is what Tesla fought against at the beginning and arguably has one of the best "solutions" for. There’s also an entire segment being ignored, those using their vehicles for off-road, long distance trips with near a ton in cargo weight. How do you recharge in the middle of public land when there’s nothing around you for miles? Also I wouldn’t call this perception, as it implies it’s not true. It doesn’t take 45 mins to refuel a vehicle, therefore it does take 10 times longer or more to recharge an EV. Let’s not even touch the amount of power these things use, each vehicle pulling more than a house does.

bryanlarsen 4y ago
> each vehicle pulling more than a house does. Not even close. The average American house uses 30 kWh per day. The average American drives 37 miles per day, which requires 8kWh in a Tesla.
- tekknik 4y ago
  But the tesla still pulls 280kw+, which is in fact more than a house
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    On an industrial site with an industrial grid connection serving hundreds of cars per charger. I'm not sure why a house comparison is relevant.
    - tekknik 4y ago
      Because I can fuel my car up at home in 5 minutes. any liquid or even gas based fuel would be capable of the same. But now I can only use a level 2 charger at home. We haven’t even touched on evacuations and how many people will be killed because they’re unable to charge their EV. People are supposed to go wait in like to charge their car for 30+ minutes? Have you seen the lines at gas stations during evacuations? How long do you think they’ll get when refueling takes 10 times longer?
      - bryanlarsen 4y ago
        I'd rather evacuate in an electric car. My EV always has 400km of range every morning because I plug it in every night. OTOH I don't fill up my gasoline car until it goes under a quarter tank. So worst case I might have 100km of range. The other aspect is that electric cars gain range in stop and go traffic and gasoline cars lose range. If there's a traffic jam and speeds average 20km/hr I can probably get 500km of range out of the EV. OTOH an ICE car loses range in stop and go traffic. I might be lucky to get 50km on an eighth of a tank in my gas car in stop and go traffic.
        tekknik 4y ago
        Except you run out of charge during said stop and go traffic. With a liquid fueled car you just add more. I’m guessing that since you’re using km instead of mi you’re outside the US. Perhaps your experiences won’t translate over here? The US tends to be larger than most countries so the distance traveled to evacuate is longer. We need to slow down and research newer technologies. A german company can create 1600 liters of carbon neutral fuel using 1 MW of power. This fuel can run on existing engines. Those 1600 liters can fill 40 average sized cars. Yet that same megawatt can only charge 3.7 ish Teslas. Are you also aware that this is the second time EVs have been tried? They lost out to gasoline for all these same reasons.
        bryanlarsen 4y ago
        I'm in Canada, which is bigger and sparser than the US. The only place I can think of in the US where you would need to drive more than 320 miles to get out of a disaster area is Miami. Everywhere else if there's a hurricane then you travel at right angles to its path. In Miami there's only one direction you can go.
        tekknik 4y ago
        In Canada you are concentrated into mostly the lower 1/3 of the country, which is smaller than the US. So sorry but no. There’s other places, like leaving CA, WA, and OR now and the tornadoes in the middle. Average people don’t charge their car every night. Even if they did, what’s the storage ratio for liquid vs electric fuels? This directly translates into how much you can have on hand in an emergency. You’ve ignored every issue stating “it’s not a problem for me” yet I’m guessing you’ve never been in this situation living in Canada. Maybe think outside the anecdotes and realize you’ve not experienced every situation in life. Liquid fuels does not mean gasoline. Stop thinking this way.

bryanlarsen 4y ago

> each vehicle pulling more than a house does. Not even close. The average American house uses 30 kWh per day. The average American drives 37 miles per day, which requires 8kWh in a Tesla.

tekknik 4y ago
But the tesla still pulls 280kw+, which is in fact more than a house
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  On an industrial site with an industrial grid connection serving hundreds of cars per charger. I'm not sure why a house comparison is relevant.
  - tekknik 4y ago
    Because I can fuel my car up at home in 5 minutes. any liquid or even gas based fuel would be capable of the same. But now I can only use a level 2 charger at home. We haven’t even touched on evacuations and how many people will be killed because they’re unable to charge their EV. People are supposed to go wait in like to charge their car for 30+ minutes? Have you seen the lines at gas stations during evacuations? How long do you think they’ll get when refueling takes 10 times longer?
    - bryanlarsen 4y ago
      I'd rather evacuate in an electric car. My EV always has 400km of range every morning because I plug it in every night. OTOH I don't fill up my gasoline car until it goes under a quarter tank. So worst case I might have 100km of range. The other aspect is that electric cars gain range in stop and go traffic and gasoline cars lose range. If there's a traffic jam and speeds average 20km/hr I can probably get 500km of range out of the EV. OTOH an ICE car loses range in stop and go traffic. I might be lucky to get 50km on an eighth of a tank in my gas car in stop and go traffic.
      - tekknik 4y ago
        Except you run out of charge during said stop and go traffic. With a liquid fueled car you just add more. I’m guessing that since you’re using km instead of mi you’re outside the US. Perhaps your experiences won’t translate over here? The US tends to be larger than most countries so the distance traveled to evacuate is longer. We need to slow down and research newer technologies. A german company can create 1600 liters of carbon neutral fuel using 1 MW of power. This fuel can run on existing engines. Those 1600 liters can fill 40 average sized cars. Yet that same megawatt can only charge 3.7 ish Teslas. Are you also aware that this is the second time EVs have been tried? They lost out to gasoline for all these same reasons.
        bryanlarsen 4y ago
        I'm in Canada, which is bigger and sparser than the US. The only place I can think of in the US where you would need to drive more than 320 miles to get out of a disaster area is Miami. Everywhere else if there's a hurricane then you travel at right angles to its path. In Miami there's only one direction you can go.
        tekknik 4y ago
        In Canada you are concentrated into mostly the lower 1/3 of the country, which is smaller than the US. So sorry but no. There’s other places, like leaving CA, WA, and OR now and the tornadoes in the middle. Average people don’t charge their car every night. Even if they did, what’s the storage ratio for liquid vs electric fuels? This directly translates into how much you can have on hand in an emergency. You’ve ignored every issue stating “it’s not a problem for me” yet I’m guessing you’ve never been in this situation living in Canada. Maybe think outside the anecdotes and realize you’ve not experienced every situation in life. Liquid fuels does not mean gasoline. Stop thinking this way.