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Old Skylake cloud instances is "really bad" in the current day compared to Rome/Milan/Genoa, Sapphire Rapids and Graviton 3 for example. We've moved on from la

by re-thc 4y ago

Old Skylake cloud instances is "really bad" in the current day compared to Rome/Milan/Genoa, Sapphire Rapids and Graviton 3 for example. We've moved on from lakes!

loeg 4y ago
Cooper Lake (2020) is still a Skylake. They aren't that old!
- re-thc 4y ago
  The 1 that was mostly canned? See: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15631/intels-cooper-lake-plans-the-chip-that-wasnt-meant-to-exist-dies-for-you https://www.anandtech.com/show/15631/intels-cooper-lake-plan... It's limited everywhere.
  - loeg 4y ago
    > The company is set to only make the hardware available for priority scale-out customers who have already designed quad-socket and eight-socket platforms around the hardware. I work at one of those customers; we use loads of them. Nevermind Ice Lake / Alder Lake (2021) / Raptor Lake (2022) -- Intel hasn't abandoned the "Lake" naming scheme yet.
    - mardifoufs 4y ago
      Facebook?
    - re-thc 4y ago
      > Nevermind Ice Lake / Alder Lake (2021) / Raptor Lake (2022) i.e. Skylake+++++
      - jrk 4y ago
        No, starting with Ice Lake these are on the first actually-new core micro architecture after Skylake (it’s the “Cove” family, starting with Sunny Cove in Ice Lake). They have Lake in the name but these are actually a new micro architecture, finally, not Skylake family.
brucethemoose2 4y ago
To be fair Ampere Altra is old now too. Kinda a contemporary with Ice Lake and the tail end of Skylake. Hetzner offering them right now is curious. Maybe its a pipecleaner for the next Ampere gen?
- wmf 4y ago
  The new Altra developer kit is also very cheap. I wonder if Ampere is dumping overstocked inventory. Given their track record I don't expect the One to be available any time soon.
- re-thc 4y ago
  Does Ampere have a newer offering yet? Probably not? So Hetzner are offering the "current gen". Meanwhile AMD and Intel both do have a later offering so they are "old".
brucethemoose2 4y ago
Also, by "Skylake" I mean whatever the last popular server CPU with the Skylake derived core was... IIRC Cooper Lake was Facebook only, Cascade Lake was HPC, and I cant even remember beyond that, but they've had the same 28C server die forever that hosts everywhere use.

by re-thc 4y ago

Old Skylake cloud instances is "really bad" in the current day compared to Rome/Milan/Genoa, Sapphire Rapids and Graviton 3 for example. We've moved on from lakes!

loeg 4y ago

Cooper Lake (2020) is still a Skylake. They aren't that old!

re-thc 4y ago
The 1 that was mostly canned? See: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15631/intels-cooper-lake-plans-the-chip-that-wasnt-meant-to-exist-dies-for-you https://www.anandtech.com/show/15631/intels-cooper-lake-plan... It's limited everywhere.
- loeg 4y ago
  > The company is set to only make the hardware available for priority scale-out customers who have already designed quad-socket and eight-socket platforms around the hardware. I work at one of those customers; we use loads of them. Nevermind Ice Lake / Alder Lake (2021) / Raptor Lake (2022) -- Intel hasn't abandoned the "Lake" naming scheme yet.
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    Facebook?
  - re-thc 4y ago
    > Nevermind Ice Lake / Alder Lake (2021) / Raptor Lake (2022) i.e. Skylake+++++
    - jrk 4y ago
      No, starting with Ice Lake these are on the first actually-new core micro architecture after Skylake (it’s the “Cove” family, starting with Sunny Cove in Ice Lake). They have Lake in the name but these are actually a new micro architecture, finally, not Skylake family.

brucethemoose2 4y ago

To be fair Ampere Altra is old now too. Kinda a contemporary with Ice Lake and the tail end of Skylake. Hetzner offering them right now is curious. Maybe its a pipecleaner for the next Ampere gen?

wmf 4y ago
The new Altra developer kit is also very cheap. I wonder if Ampere is dumping overstocked inventory. Given their track record I don't expect the One to be available any time soon.
re-thc 4y ago
Does Ampere have a newer offering yet? Probably not? So Hetzner are offering the "current gen". Meanwhile AMD and Intel both do have a later offering so they are "old".

brucethemoose2 4y ago

Also, by "Skylake" I mean whatever the last popular server CPU with the Skylake derived core was... IIRC Cooper Lake was Facebook only, Cascade Lake was HPC, and I cant even remember beyond that, but they've had the same 28C server die forever that hosts everywhere use.