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I think the Apple headset will be a (relative) disaster. I'm sure it will sell OK, but we're talking Apple TV numbers not iPhone numbers. What AR/VR needs is a

I think the Apple headset will be a (relative) disaster. I'm sure it will sell OK, but we're talking Apple TV numbers not iPhone numbers. What AR/VR needs is a mass market killer app, like Pokémon GO (in its heyday) or World of Warcraft or something. Not another headset. People will put up with all kinds of discomfort/inconvenience/cost if there's something interesting to do. The current crop of Metaverses don't cut it in this regard.

machiaweliczny 4y ago
I think market will be there it’s just like 5 years from now and most people seem to know this such as Roblox and Epic (creative 2.0). It will be speed up by generative AI
ghaff 4y ago
You certainly can do somewhat useful AR on a phone. See e.g. some of the ML photo and sound identification tools (e.g. Merlin, Google Lens) that have very quietly gotten quite useful. But AR that is really a killer app almost certainly needs a fashionable, light, easy to use headset and that's a hardware problem to a significant degree that probably doesn't have a quick fix. Yes, you can do something that's effectively a prototype that's more like a "headset" but that's almost certainly not a mass market device that most people will walk around wearing. (There's also the social glasshole issue but my guess is that goes away with a useful enough device even if some people hate the idea.)
crazygringo 4y ago
> What AR/VR needs is a mass market killer app I really think we're just waiting for the resolution to increase and it to become thinner and lighter and better at hand tracking. The Quest 2 is already a better experience watching 1080p surround-sound content than most people's TV's -- if you're watching by yourself. But streamers haven't quite caught onto that yet. But once the screen becomes sharp enough to do real work and hand tracking improves dramatically, I think we're going to start seeing some dramatic shifts.

machiaweliczny 4y ago

I think market will be there it’s just like 5 years from now and most people seem to know this such as Roblox and Epic (creative 2.0). It will be speed up by generative AI

ghaff 4y ago

You certainly can do somewhat useful AR on a phone. See e.g. some of the ML photo and sound identification tools (e.g. Merlin, Google Lens) that have very quietly gotten quite useful. But AR that is really a killer app almost certainly needs a fashionable, light, easy to use headset and that's a hardware problem to a significant degree that probably doesn't have a quick fix. Yes, you can do something that's effectively a prototype that's more like a "headset" but that's almost certainly not a mass market device that most people will walk around wearing. (There's also the social glasshole issue but my guess is that goes away with a useful enough device even if some people hate the idea.)

crazygringo 4y ago

> What AR/VR needs is a mass market killer app I really think we're just waiting for the resolution to increase and it to become thinner and lighter and better at hand tracking. The Quest 2 is already a better experience watching 1080p surround-sound content than most people's TV's -- if you're watching by yourself. But streamers haven't quite caught onto that yet. But once the screen becomes sharp enough to do real work and hand tracking improves dramatically, I think we're going to start seeing some dramatic shifts.