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Why is that a “more balanced take?”

by aklemm 4y ago

Our_Benefactors 4y ago
If the alternative is a world where these weapons systems don't exist? I’m afraid that is a fantasy world which would quickly be ceded to the bigger stick. So consideration of military force requires balance, reverence, and respect. Posting something like “btw if you work in defense you’re a baby killer” is more insult than reasoned debate.
- skyyler 4y ago
  "Defense" weapons being used to slaughter innocent people, including children (you used the phrase "baby killer" first), is well documented fact. It's not insult if it's verifiably true, is it? There are plenty of people that are okay with their work being used to kill babies. They can work defense jobs. I just wanted to provide a little reality check for downtrodden devs considering defense work for the first time, because I'm sure a lot of them in fact are not okay with their work being used to kill babies.
  - Our_Benefactors 4y ago
    > It's not insult if it's verifiably true, is it? You are being incredibly uncharitable, bordering on dishonesty. Cars kill babies every year too but it’s not why people get into the automobile industry. And this isn’t the “reality check” own that you think it is. It’s actually very condescending, and reductionist. You have not even attempted to refute the idea that a defense industry is necessary to maintain peace.
    - skyyler 4y ago
      You're assuming that I think baby-killers shouldn't be working in the defense industry or that I think there shouldn't be a defense industry or something. No, I want people that aren't baby-killers to avoid it. That's all. The defense industry is important and needs staff, staff that are OK with babies being killed. It's starting to sound like you're a baby-killing defense industry employee, and if you are I want you to understand that I don't hate you. I just dislike drone strikes against children and hospitals.
      - Our_Benefactors 4y ago
        > It's starting to sound like you're a baby-killing defense industry employee Couldn’t be further from the truth. No defense, no finance is the promise I made to myself when I started my career. My point is that you are insulting the intelligence of people both in and out of the field with toxic, pithy remarks like that. It serves no purpose but to agitate.
        skyyler 4y ago
        :< some replyguy doesn’t like my comment oh frick I’m gonna reflect really hard on this

Why is that a “more balanced take?”

by aklemm 4y ago

Why is that a “more balanced take?”

If the alternative is a world where these weapons systems don't exist? I’m afraid that is a fantasy world which would quickly be ceded to the bigger stick. So consideration of military force requires balance, reverence, and respect. Posting something like “btw if you work in defense you’re a baby killer” is more insult than reasoned debate.

skyyler 4y ago
"Defense" weapons being used to slaughter innocent people, including children (you used the phrase "baby killer" first), is well documented fact. It's not insult if it's verifiably true, is it? There are plenty of people that are okay with their work being used to kill babies. They can work defense jobs. I just wanted to provide a little reality check for downtrodden devs considering defense work for the first time, because I'm sure a lot of them in fact are not okay with their work being used to kill babies.
- Our_Benefactors 4y ago
  > It's not insult if it's verifiably true, is it? You are being incredibly uncharitable, bordering on dishonesty. Cars kill babies every year too but it’s not why people get into the automobile industry. And this isn’t the “reality check” own that you think it is. It’s actually very condescending, and reductionist. You have not even attempted to refute the idea that a defense industry is necessary to maintain peace.
  - skyyler 4y ago
    You're assuming that I think baby-killers shouldn't be working in the defense industry or that I think there shouldn't be a defense industry or something. No, I want people that aren't baby-killers to avoid it. That's all. The defense industry is important and needs staff, staff that are OK with babies being killed. It's starting to sound like you're a baby-killing defense industry employee, and if you are I want you to understand that I don't hate you. I just dislike drone strikes against children and hospitals.
    - Our_Benefactors 4y ago
      > It's starting to sound like you're a baby-killing defense industry employee Couldn’t be further from the truth. No defense, no finance is the promise I made to myself when I started my career. My point is that you are insulting the intelligence of people both in and out of the field with toxic, pithy remarks like that. It serves no purpose but to agitate.
      - skyyler 4y ago
        :< some replyguy doesn’t like my comment oh frick I’m gonna reflect really hard on this