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What is silly is that laicism is still not a thing in US government in 2023. Your founding fathers actually wanted a government without religion. Nobody is tel

What is silly is that laicism is still not a thing in US government in 2023. Your founding fathers actually wanted a government without religion. Nobody is telling you to not hold your beliefs, just don't impose them on others. > The point on swearing on the bible is that God (karma, the universe, a higher power) will judge/punish you if you act evil Humans can swear and have morals and ethics without fear of punishment.

kube-system 3y ago
> Your founding fathers actually wanted a government without religion. They wanted a government where the government did not interfere with the religious beliefs of people.
leeroyjenkins11 3y ago
No, they wanted a federal government without a state religion. Like the church of England. The founders saw it necessary that people have a religious based moral system. The same system and values that they based the government on. The premise all men are created equal relies on religion to be true. Inalienable rights is a judao Christian idea. Try arriving there with reason. Otherwise the will to power is exploitation of man by man. The French revolution was based on reason and had a Reign of Terror with a bloody guillotine.
- gobrewers14 3y ago
  >The founders saw it necessary that people have a religious based moral system. The same system and values that they based the government on. In the system of government they created women were not able to participate in the body politic and slavery was legal. The suppression of women in society and slavery are both endorsed in the bible. Being superstitious has nothing to do with morality or ethics. > The premise all men are created equal relies on religion to be true. Inalienable rights is a judao Christian idea. This is demonstrably false. Christianity had 17 centuries before the French Revolution to setup a system of government based on these ideas but instead was aligned with Monarchy and Feudalism. Equality and inalienable rights are Enlightenment ideas.

kube-system 3y ago

> Your founding fathers actually wanted a government without religion. They wanted a government where the government did not interfere with the religious beliefs of people.

leeroyjenkins11 3y ago

No, they wanted a federal government without a state religion. Like the church of England. The founders saw it necessary that people have a religious based moral system. The same system and values that they based the government on. The premise all men are created equal relies on religion to be true. Inalienable rights is a judao Christian idea. Try arriving there with reason. Otherwise the will to power is exploitation of man by man. The French revolution was based on reason and had a Reign of Terror with a bloody guillotine.

gobrewers14 3y ago
>The founders saw it necessary that people have a religious based moral system. The same system and values that they based the government on. In the system of government they created women were not able to participate in the body politic and slavery was legal. The suppression of women in society and slavery are both endorsed in the bible. Being superstitious has nothing to do with morality or ethics. > The premise all men are created equal relies on religion to be true. Inalienable rights is a judao Christian idea. This is demonstrably false. Christianity had 17 centuries before the French Revolution to setup a system of government based on these ideas but instead was aligned with Monarchy and Feudalism. Equality and inalienable rights are Enlightenment ideas.