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> What? Stallman alone changed the world 20 times more than Jobs. I know I'm going to get downvotes for this; but I disagree. While Stallman played an importan

> What? Stallman alone changed the world 20 times more than Jobs. I know I'm going to get downvotes for this; but I disagree. While Stallman played an important role in GNU and Libre software through his work at MIT and FSF, there were already like-minded people working towards the same thing. It's hard to say that Stallman single-handedly influenced things like that in history to that much impact, given how much impact Steve Jobs had on the personal computing space. Without Linux (Linus Torvalds), he may not have had much impact at all. Let's not forget: - Brian Reid who co-authored BSD Unix operating system under a permissive license, which used BCC (Berkeley C Compiler) - Bill Joy who co-founded Sun Microsystems - among contributions count NFS, Sparc, Java Who knows what would have arisen from that, had not Stallman had a fortuitous partnership with Torvalds? Would we be living in a world with OpenBSD rather than GNU/Linux?

anthk 4y ago
Eh, GNU Coreutils were used by a huge margin over core Sun tools to do actual work. With the GNU utilities Sparc and Java wouldn't be as used as they were. Everyone and his aunt used GCC, Bash and GNU utilities. And Emacs. Even ksh form OpenBSD got autocompletion support. Some features are nice, I guess. And I use mksh myself on Hyperbola GNU/Linux, which mostly blends GNU's openness with BSD's KISS stance. No SystemD here, not even Pulse. Sndio, the same one as OpenBSD. On OpenBSD, I love their stance on security and correctness, and ofc I know about pledge(4) and unveil(4). that's why Hyperbola will rebase their Unix-like OS from OpenBSD (minus the blobs) with GNU addons.
- bzzzt 4y ago
  > GNU Coreutils were used by a huge margin over core Sun tools to do actual work. Being more convenient doesn't quals changing the world... While Sun was hugely influential in the early days of the internet it's place could have been taken by a lot of other *nix vendors.
  - anthk 4y ago
    If you think GCC and coreutils didn't change the world and shaped the commercial Unixen themselves, think twice.

anthk 4y ago

Eh, GNU Coreutils were used by a huge margin over core Sun tools to do actual work. With the GNU utilities Sparc and Java wouldn't be as used as they were. Everyone and his aunt used GCC, Bash and GNU utilities. And Emacs. Even ksh form OpenBSD got autocompletion support. Some features are nice, I guess. And I use mksh myself on Hyperbola GNU/Linux, which mostly blends GNU's openness with BSD's KISS stance. No SystemD here, not even Pulse. Sndio, the same one as OpenBSD. On OpenBSD, I love their stance on security and correctness, and ofc I know about pledge(4) and unveil(4). that's why Hyperbola will rebase their Unix-like OS from OpenBSD (minus the blobs) with GNU addons.

bzzzt 4y ago
> GNU Coreutils were used by a huge margin over core Sun tools to do actual work. Being more convenient doesn't quals changing the world... While Sun was hugely influential in the early days of the internet it's place could have been taken by a lot of other *nix vendors.
- anthk 4y ago
  If you think GCC and coreutils didn't change the world and shaped the commercial Unixen themselves, think twice.