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Compiling lists of suspected homosexuals. Interesting. Another famous phrase from literature comes to mind, "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he

Compiling lists of suspected homosexuals. Interesting. Another famous phrase from literature comes to mind, "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."

xsmasher 3y ago
But "compiling lists" is good, or at least neutral, right? Where would mankind be if we weren't allowed to compile lists? You can't remove all the context from an action and claim the general case and the specific case are identical. That's like saying "Punching is just swinging my arm; you can't arrest me for swinging my arm!"
- throwawaylinux 3y ago
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PartiallyTyped 3y ago
"Suspected homosexuals" and proven hypocrites who hurt LGBT people with their rhetoric and actions are two vastly different things. Precision is important.
- throwawaylinux 3y ago
  No, it is the very same thing in the case of this list. Precision is important. Protesting that one's cause is noble would be missing the point of the quote entirely. Everybody who has ever made lists thought they were doing it for a worthy cause.
  - PartiallyTyped 3y ago
    They are not suspected to, they have been caught in consensual acts, they were caught red handed to be hypocrites. A gay person isn't a hypocrite for being gay, a gay person condemning and harming other gay people is a hypocrite.
    - throwawaylinux 3y ago
      And I suppose those who harm gay people by bullying them and publicly shaming them deserve everything that's coming to them, especially if they're doing from a hypocritical and misguided delusion of righteousness... Again missing the point. It isn't a challenge to defend oneself, it's an invitation to reflect. Less talking, more thinking.
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      - PartiallyTyped 3y ago
        Again completely missing the point, nobody is bullying them because they are gay, nor are they being bullied. They are facing the consequences of purposefully breaking the social contract by harming LGBT people.
        throwawaylinux 3y ago
        > Again completely missing the point, nobody is bullying them because they are gay, nor are they being bullied. That's not what the list says.
        PartiallyTyped 3y ago
        so why aren’t my gay friends on that list? After all, if they are being bullied because they are gay, all gay people should be listed on there.
        throwawaylinux 3y ago
        Presumably because their behavior does not breach what the list maker deems acceptable. > After all, if they are being bullied because they are gay, all gay people should be listed on there. I don't know what you mean. That's not a gotcha.

Compiling lists of suspected homosexuals. Interesting. Another famous phrase from literature comes to mind, "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."

xsmasher 3y ago

But "compiling lists" is good, or at least neutral, right? Where would mankind be if we weren't allowed to compile lists? You can't remove all the context from an action and claim the general case and the specific case are identical. That's like saying "Punching is just swinging my arm; you can't arrest me for swinging my arm!"

throwawaylinux 3y ago
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PartiallyTyped 3y ago

"Suspected homosexuals" and proven hypocrites who hurt LGBT people with their rhetoric and actions are two vastly different things. Precision is important.

throwawaylinux 3y ago
No, it is the very same thing in the case of this list. Precision is important. Protesting that one's cause is noble would be missing the point of the quote entirely. Everybody who has ever made lists thought they were doing it for a worthy cause.
- PartiallyTyped 3y ago
  They are not suspected to, they have been caught in consensual acts, they were caught red handed to be hypocrites. A gay person isn't a hypocrite for being gay, a gay person condemning and harming other gay people is a hypocrite.
  - throwawaylinux 3y ago
    And I suppose those who harm gay people by bullying them and publicly shaming them deserve everything that's coming to them, especially if they're doing from a hypocritical and misguided delusion of righteousness... Again missing the point. It isn't a challenge to defend oneself, it's an invitation to reflect. Less talking, more thinking.
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    - PartiallyTyped 3y ago
      Again completely missing the point, nobody is bullying them because they are gay, nor are they being bullied. They are facing the consequences of purposefully breaking the social contract by harming LGBT people.
      - throwawaylinux 3y ago
        > Again completely missing the point, nobody is bullying them because they are gay, nor are they being bullied. That's not what the list says.
        PartiallyTyped 3y ago
        so why aren’t my gay friends on that list? After all, if they are being bullied because they are gay, all gay people should be listed on there.
        throwawaylinux 3y ago
        Presumably because their behavior does not breach what the list maker deems acceptable. > After all, if they are being bullied because they are gay, all gay people should be listed on there. I don't know what you mean. That's not a gotcha.