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The pi-zero is in stock in most places > So the realistic outcome is that for years now raspberry pi has been a dedicated supplier of industrial computing syst

The pi-zero is in stock in most places > So the realistic outcome is that for years now raspberry pi has been a dedicated supplier of industrial computing systems. Schools, kids and hobbyists are long forgotten. The rp2040 is cheaper and probably better for teaching embedded electronics. (and super easy to get access too). It's documentation shits all over the ESP* tool chain, and its a nice, smooth coherently documented ecosystem. I understand that you want the pi-4, as do I. But. The money from pi sales goes to education, you can see it in the company accounts. The documentation, and family of hardware is unparalleled anywhere (outside maybe adafruit) The world is complex, and sometimes doesn't do what you want. Don't shit on something because you're upset that they aren't doing exactly what you want.

geerlingguy 4y ago
I don't see the Zero (2 or 2W) in stock often, but they do come and go. The model 3 A+ has been in stock regularly now (as predicted in Raspberry Pi's December 2022 blog post), and supposedly we'll get back to regular stock by the end of the 3rd quarter this year for Pi 4 products. Not sure about Compute Module 4... but I hope that too, because it's arguably way more useful. The RP2040 and Pico have been widely available almost since launch, and in some ways are even more intriguing for educational purposes, especially since they cost $1 and $5, respectively. And the Pico W has been an excellent alternative to ESP devices for ESPHome and other automation needs. The built-in PIO has been a pretty interesting feature, enabling some use cases I didn't initially see. In the end, I think this year's stock availability will make or break the SBC side of things for the maker / hobbyist community. There are way faster and more feature-rich boards with chips like the RK3588 at this point, but the software support and available libraries are still leaps and bounds better on the Pi, which is why the nearly 5-year-old hardware is selling at a premium :(
FeistySkink 4y ago
Did you mean Pico? I have a notification for a Zero 2 W set on the official supplier and it hasn't been in stock for a year now.
- shirleyquirk 4y ago
  You can get third party rp2040 modules or just the raw chip, easily. Not with the (proprietary licensed?) Wifi stuff, and definitely not official.
  - asddubs 4y ago
    you're thinking of the pico, the zero is just a smaller, less powerful raspi running raspbian
Tepix 4y ago
> The pi-zero is in stock in most places I think the Pi Zero is no longer being produced, there's onl the Pi Zero W and the Pi Zero 2 W these days. Neither costs 5€ at places where it is in stock. The cheapest in stock device is 18.57€. A rp2040 is a completely different animal.

geerlingguy 4y ago

I don't see the Zero (2 or 2W) in stock often, but they do come and go. The model 3 A+ has been in stock regularly now (as predicted in Raspberry Pi's December 2022 blog post), and supposedly we'll get back to regular stock by the end of the 3rd quarter this year for Pi 4 products. Not sure about Compute Module 4... but I hope that too, because it's arguably way more useful. The RP2040 and Pico have been widely available almost since launch, and in some ways are even more intriguing for educational purposes, especially since they cost $1 and $5, respectively. And the Pico W has been an excellent alternative to ESP devices for ESPHome and other automation needs. The built-in PIO has been a pretty interesting feature, enabling some use cases I didn't initially see. In the end, I think this year's stock availability will make or break the SBC side of things for the maker / hobbyist community. There are way faster and more feature-rich boards with chips like the RK3588 at this point, but the software support and available libraries are still leaps and bounds better on the Pi, which is why the nearly 5-year-old hardware is selling at a premium :(

FeistySkink 4y ago

Did you mean Pico? I have a notification for a Zero 2 W set on the official supplier and it hasn't been in stock for a year now.

shirleyquirk 4y ago
You can get third party rp2040 modules or just the raw chip, easily. Not with the (proprietary licensed?) Wifi stuff, and definitely not official.
- asddubs 4y ago
  you're thinking of the pico, the zero is just a smaller, less powerful raspi running raspbian

Tepix 4y ago

> The pi-zero is in stock in most places I think the Pi Zero is no longer being produced, there's onl the Pi Zero W and the Pi Zero 2 W these days. Neither costs 5€ at places where it is in stock. The cheapest in stock device is 18.57€. A rp2040 is a completely different animal.