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Tavistock also were not performing surgeries on children. Trans people often don't even receive hormones until they're 16, I don't know how this idea that they
by chownie 4y ago
Tavistock also were not performing surgeries on children.
Trans people often don't even receive hormones until they're 16, I don't know how this idea that they're receiving surgery on a whim makes any sense to anyone.
- transcoderx 4y agoBullshit, 16 would be too late for hormone blockers. The blockers are also said to prevent the kids from adapting to their biological gender, leading onto a path to surgery. I am amazed how willing to lie people are in this forum.
- chownie 4y agoHormone blockers suppress the expression of estrogen and testosterone, I was very clearly referring to hormone replacement therapy. Moral of the story is, people aren't lying just because you refuse to read the words written literally on the screen.
- transcoderx 4y agoI meant to say puberty blockers, not hormone blockers. Which should have been quite obvious from the context.
- chownie 4y agoI think it's less obvious because you brought them up without context. Not going to walk back that accusation that I'm a liar, now you know that you were talking about something else?
- flir 4y agoAs a very rough rule of thumb, if it comes in pill form, it's probably not surgery.
- transcoderx 4y agoThe issue is kids being transitioned, in whatever way. The pills build up towards surgery.
- flir 4y agoI saw your other comment before it got deleted. I know you for what you are.
- transcoderx 4y agoWhat got deleted, and what am I supposedly? Your comment also says a lot about you. I don't feel ashamed for worrying about the unwarranted mutilation of children. What is your excuse?
- chownie 4y ago"Being transitioned" removes agency from people who fight for years for this. You have been shown across this thread that vanishingly few even gain access to any kind of medical support until their late teens and still you insist on lying, pretending that "kids" are being transitioned against their will -- meanwhile in reality trans teens are crying out at the 5+ year long waiting lists just for access to clinics. You have to turn your back on the trans children who grew into adults and pretend they don't exist to spin this lie where transition is a verb you apply to other people rather than a choice that someone makes for themselves.
- transcoderx 4y agoVanishingly small numbers? There are hundreds of teens who get surgeries and thousands who get drugs. Your claim that it all only happens because of these kids agencies is unsubstantiated. How do you explain the doubling of numbers of kids who say they are trans? And you claim nobody ever regrets transitioning, which is a lie.
- rainworld 4y ago[flagged]
- vidarh 4y agochownie said hormones, e.g. testosterone/estrogen, not hormone blockers. You're right, 16 would be too late for most for hormone blockers, and as such it causes immense harm when trans children are prevented from getting blockers earlier, because it causes irreversible changes to occur that strongly correlates with massively increased rates of harmful outcomes (up to and including suicides). > The blockers are also said to prevent the kids from adapting to their biological gender, leading onto a path to surgery. Ah, "it is said". > I am amazed how willing to lie people are in this forum. Maybe drop the unfounded accusations when you're the one attacking someone for a claim they've not made.
- transcoderx 4y agoThe correct word would have been puberty blockers (which presumably are also hormones). Most people who believe they are trans actually grow out of it. Puberty blockers (and also testosterone) have severe side effects (or main effects). Therefore more harm is done by overprescribing them. There is not even scientific evidence yet that trans people actually exist (as in somebody born in the wrong body somehow). "Ah it is said" - yeah in the same way that "it is said" that withholding puberty blockers causes harm and whatever else you claim.