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Our employer actively tracks runtime usage and makes sure we have no O in it. > The quantity of licenses is determined by the total number of employees, not th

by jve 4y ago

Our employer actively tracks runtime usage and makes sure we have no O in it. > The quantity of licenses is determined by the total number of employees, not the number of employees using the programs https://www.infoworld.com/article/3686611/oracle-per-employee-java-pricing-causes-concern.html https://www.infoworld.com/article/3686611/oracle-per-employe... > Employee for Java SE Universal Subscription: is defined as (i) all of Your full-time, part-time, temporary employees, and (ii) all of the full-time employees, part-time employees and temporary employees of Your agents, contractors, outsourcers, and consultants that support Your internal business operations. The quantity of the licenses required is determined by the number of Employees and not just the actual number of employees that use the Programs. https://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/price-lists/java-se-subscription-pricelist-5028356.pdf https://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/price-lists/java... Excuse me, but isn't that a minefield? Another point I don't want to use java: Now I have to understand what is Java SE and if the runtime falls under it or the development tools or how my users use the software, whether we now how to license every user that won't even use that program and even any people that interacts with our business. Pure maddness.

kaba0 4y ago
Are you using Photoshop without a license as well or how is that relevant? This is about Oracle’s JDK you specifically have to install and have a paid license to (actually, they also provide a free version if you stay on the latest LTS release at all times), and is meant mostly for governments and such. Will you uninstal linux because Red Hat has a paid support version as well?
- jve 4y ago
  So if i have JDK (Which I must) I do have to buy those licenses.. for all our employees? > The Java Platform, Standard Edition (Java SE) and Java SE Universal Subscription from Oracle include the Java Development Kit (JDK), and Java Runtime Environment (JRE) https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/faqs-jsp.html#:~:text=The%20Java%20Platform%2C%20Standard%20Edition%20(Java%20SE)%20and%20Java,Java%20Runtime%20Environment%20(JRE) https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/faqs-jsp.html#:~:te.... Do I not need the Java SE subscription to use JRE? Do I not need the Java SE subscription to use JDK? I have so much questions and because there is even place for questions, I better avoid this thing.
  - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    > So if i have JDK (Which I must) I do have to buy those licenses.. for all our employees? No, use OpenJDK like the rest of the world. It’s free and open-source.
  - kaba0 4y ago
    Do you have to buy a license for a regular Linux kernel? No. The exact same is true for OpenJDK. Just download any, for example one that is packages by your distro, or there is sdkman for developers to let you quickly choose from multiple vendors and any version.
    - jve 4y ago
      Please help me understand. > To run your Java 8 application, a user needs the Java SE 8 Runtime Environment, which is available from Oracle under the Oracle Technology Network License Agreement for Oracle Java SE, which is free for personal use, development, testing, prototyping and some other important use cases covered in this FAQ https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/javase/jre8-readme.html https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/javase/jre8-readme.... Straight from oracle.com. How is this free? Of course I don't need to pay for Linux kernel. Of course some products feature paid support. But how can I justify the quoted text that Oracle JRE is free? I was going to say to the guy that decided there must be no Oracle Runtime at our company (some software doesn't work without it, I have no status if workaround has been found) - Hey, maybe Java SE is just the support/patches stuff and maybe we can use runtime? Until I stumble on that text - free for personal use, etc...
      - jjav 4y ago
        > Straight from oracle.com. > How is this free? Yes, don't go to oracle.com. This is what you want (it's the same thing, but free open source): https://openjdk.org/ https://openjdk.org/
      - papercrane 4y ago
        If you want to use the Oracle runtime you need to pay Oracle. But the code itself is open source and you can instead use the Azul, Amazon, Red Hat, BellSoft, etc.. runtimes.
tpxl 4y ago
The vast majority of Java is open source (Open JDK). You can get builds from Amazon (coretto), Microsoft, Red Hat, SAP, ... that do not stupid licensing requirements of Oracle.

by jve 4y ago

kaba0 4y ago

Are you using Photoshop without a license as well or how is that relevant? This is about Oracle’s JDK you specifically have to install and have a paid license to (actually, they also provide a free version if you stay on the latest LTS release at all times), and is meant mostly for governments and such. Will you uninstal linux because Red Hat has a paid support version as well?

jve 4y ago
So if i have JDK (Which I must) I do have to buy those licenses.. for all our employees? > The Java Platform, Standard Edition (Java SE) and Java SE Universal Subscription from Oracle include the Java Development Kit (JDK), and Java Runtime Environment (JRE) https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/faqs-jsp.html#:~:text=The%20Java%20Platform%2C%20Standard%20Edition%20(Java%20SE)%20and%20Java,Java%20Runtime%20Environment%20(JRE) https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/faqs-jsp.html#:~:te.... Do I not need the Java SE subscription to use JRE? Do I not need the Java SE subscription to use JDK? I have so much questions and because there is even place for questions, I better avoid this thing.
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  > So if i have JDK (Which I must) I do have to buy those licenses.. for all our employees? No, use OpenJDK like the rest of the world. It’s free and open-source.
- kaba0 4y ago
  Do you have to buy a license for a regular Linux kernel? No. The exact same is true for OpenJDK. Just download any, for example one that is packages by your distro, or there is sdkman for developers to let you quickly choose from multiple vendors and any version.
  - jve 4y ago
    Please help me understand. > To run your Java 8 application, a user needs the Java SE 8 Runtime Environment, which is available from Oracle under the Oracle Technology Network License Agreement for Oracle Java SE, which is free for personal use, development, testing, prototyping and some other important use cases covered in this FAQ https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/javase/jre8-readme.html https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/javase/jre8-readme.... Straight from oracle.com. How is this free? Of course I don't need to pay for Linux kernel. Of course some products feature paid support. But how can I justify the quoted text that Oracle JRE is free? I was going to say to the guy that decided there must be no Oracle Runtime at our company (some software doesn't work without it, I have no status if workaround has been found) - Hey, maybe Java SE is just the support/patches stuff and maybe we can use runtime? Until I stumble on that text - free for personal use, etc...
    - jjav 4y ago
      > Straight from oracle.com. > How is this free? Yes, don't go to oracle.com. This is what you want (it's the same thing, but free open source): https://openjdk.org/ https://openjdk.org/
    - papercrane 4y ago
      If you want to use the Oracle runtime you need to pay Oracle. But the code itself is open source and you can instead use the Azul, Amazon, Red Hat, BellSoft, etc.. runtimes.

tpxl 4y ago

The vast majority of Java is open source (Open JDK). You can get builds from Amazon (coretto), Microsoft, Red Hat, SAP, ... that do not stupid licensing requirements of Oracle.