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This is a misunderstanding of trademark. You are only likely to be sued if you are using it in a way to cause confusion with the brand itself. Like selling pro

by dagmx 4y ago

This is a misunderstanding of trademark. You are only likely to be sued if you are using it in a way to cause confusion with the brand itself. Like selling product as official merch or trying to make money off being associated with rust. The document goes to great pains to express all the ways you can still use it. Tl;dr: this is very boilerplate and similar to many other open source projects. If you’re not trying to capitalize off the brand, then don’t worry about it

soulbadguy 4y ago
do you have an example of other source trademark documents ? This one seems different from the one i have seen in the past For example, this section mandating how a rust conference should be held : > would expect events and conferences using the Marks to be non-profit-making, focused on discussion of, and education on, Rust software, prohibit the carrying of firearms, comply with local health regulations, and have a robust Code of Conduct. I am totally for good firearm regulation, and resposible health behavior but can't remember anoter open source trademark document going this far (happy to be corrected though)
- dagmx 4y ago
  The python one has similar language though is a little more permissive and doesn’t go into as much depth as the rust one. The feedback the rust foundation is asking for is working as intended and they’re correcting some of their wording accordingly. https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/ https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/ That specific line you mention is with regards to conferences that use Rust in their name. So if HandmadeCon or GDC had a rust session, that would be fine because it’s not the focus of the conference. But if they called it Rust GameDev Conference , they’d need to abide by the usage rules. This is to protect from negative associations with the rust brand. After all, you don’t want rust being associated with a mass shooting event or a stampede etc…
  - soulbadguy 4y ago
    > This is to protect from negative associations with the rust brand. After all, you don’t want rust being associated with a mass shooting event or a stampede etc… So we exclude people who have strong feeling about carrying firearms?
    - dagmx 4y ago
      if you feel the need to carry firearms to a programming convention, then yeah I’m okay excluding them. Many events, including the NRAs own events, prohibit the carrying of firearms in part or in full. This is normal.
      - throwntoday 4y ago
        [flagged]
        justinclift 4y ago
        Dude, c'mon. :(
fossheart 4y ago
I am not sure about the law, but wouldn't products that are regarded as fanmade or unofficial (like rust awesome repo) come under their trademark policy?
- dagmx 4y ago
  Yes and no. Technically they’d be in violation of the existing trademark if they were using the Rust name for financial gain. The new proposed rules don’t change much in this regard. https://foundation.rust-lang.org/policies/logo-policy-and-media-guide/ https://foundation.rust-lang.org/policies/logo-policy-and-me... If they’re not commercial and aren’t trying to appear official, then they can most likely get away with just having a disclaimer saying they’re not endorsed or affiliated. Intent and the effects of use are very important.

by dagmx 4y ago

soulbadguy 4y ago

do you have an example of other source trademark documents ? This one seems different from the one i have seen in the past For example, this section mandating how a rust conference should be held : > would expect events and conferences using the Marks to be non-profit-making, focused on discussion of, and education on, Rust software, prohibit the carrying of firearms, comply with local health regulations, and have a robust Code of Conduct. I am totally for good firearm regulation, and resposible health behavior but can't remember anoter open source trademark document going this far (happy to be corrected though)

dagmx 4y ago
The python one has similar language though is a little more permissive and doesn’t go into as much depth as the rust one. The feedback the rust foundation is asking for is working as intended and they’re correcting some of their wording accordingly. https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/ https://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/ That specific line you mention is with regards to conferences that use Rust in their name. So if HandmadeCon or GDC had a rust session, that would be fine because it’s not the focus of the conference. But if they called it Rust GameDev Conference , they’d need to abide by the usage rules. This is to protect from negative associations with the rust brand. After all, you don’t want rust being associated with a mass shooting event or a stampede etc…
- soulbadguy 4y ago
  > This is to protect from negative associations with the rust brand. After all, you don’t want rust being associated with a mass shooting event or a stampede etc… So we exclude people who have strong feeling about carrying firearms?
  - dagmx 4y ago
    if you feel the need to carry firearms to a programming convention, then yeah I’m okay excluding them. Many events, including the NRAs own events, prohibit the carrying of firearms in part or in full. This is normal.
    - throwntoday 4y ago
      [flagged]
      - justinclift 4y ago
        Dude, c'mon. :(

fossheart 4y ago

I am not sure about the law, but wouldn't products that are regarded as fanmade or unofficial (like rust awesome repo) come under their trademark policy?

dagmx 4y ago
Yes and no. Technically they’d be in violation of the existing trademark if they were using the Rust name for financial gain. The new proposed rules don’t change much in this regard. https://foundation.rust-lang.org/policies/logo-policy-and-media-guide/ https://foundation.rust-lang.org/policies/logo-policy-and-me... If they’re not commercial and aren’t trying to appear official, then they can most likely get away with just having a disclaimer saying they’re not endorsed or affiliated. Intent and the effects of use are very important.