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A similar travesty of justice happened in Italy in the late 90s with a bunch of parents going to jail, their kids being taken away by the local child protection

A similar travesty of justice happened in Italy in the late 90s with a bunch of parents going to jail, their kids being taken away by the local child protection services, parents committing suicide from the trauma etc. Two decades later, as part of an investigation, the kids (now adults) came out as saying that they were brainwashed, they were pressured into confessions of satanic rituals in the local cemetery, of blood sacrifices and live burials and so on. The investigation concluded that it was ultimately a combination of a popular moral panic, a special spot-the-satanist training that the teachers received as part of their professional development, and a collusion between psychologists and orphanages trying to fill out their facilities with kids harvested from accused parents. An absolute horror show. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diavoli_della_Bassa_modenese https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diavoli_della_Bassa_modenese (unfortunately no En version of the page)

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blackwateragent 4y ago
> a special spot-the-satanist training that the teachers received as part of their professional development [...] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diavoli_della_Bassa_modenese https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diavoli_della_Bassa_modenese (unfortunately no En version of the page) I'm curious, as there is no English page, do you have any more information I can pursue regarding the 'spot-the-satanist training'? Curious what exactly that entailed and the signs they looked for.
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 4y ago
  It's cited in the Audible series itself (that's where the investigation was originally published: https://www.audible.com/pd/Podcast/B08JJNYH2J https://www.audible.com/pd/Podcast/B08JJNYH2J), which is many hours of content, so I wouldn't be able to easily dig that up unfortunately. If I recall correctly, it was a wave of professional instruction that was making its way through either teacher ed or psychologist ed, I imagine of US/UK origin. Do a search for "satanic ritual abuse" and all of the studies around it, e.g. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3813055 https://www.jstor.org/stable/3813055 By the way, here's one of the psychologists involved in the scandal getting jail time 20+ years later: https://www.ansa.it/english/news/politics/2021/11/11/psychiatrist-gets-4-yrs-in-fostering-abuse-case_13563c9a-b2e8-4d36-b2ab-f44c03bed859.html https://www.ansa.it/english/news/politics/2021/11/11/psychia... Just to clarify, since I misspoke, the training was not about spotting satanists, it was about spotting symptoms of satanic ritual abuse in children victimized by them.
  - raffraffraff 4y ago
    Those responsible rarely get their comeuppance. I mean the academics and psychiatrists who invent this baloney, and continue pushing it for years, sustaining the delusion. Some of them are still practicing today. They've casually moved onto other things.
    - Yoric 4y ago
      Academics? At least in what I've seen of the US satanic panic, there were no academics that I know of. Journalists, police consultants, quack shrinks (I forgot which kind of psy.* they were), political and religious authorities, and generally people who had some power and/or money to gain from the panic.
      - aidenn0 4y ago
        GP posted an article by someone who was then (and appears to still be[1]) a professor of psychology at Pepperdine. If he's not an academic then we are fairly far into "no true Scottsman" at this point. [edit] I also forgot about the Bragas who were child psychologists at the University of Miami who have been accused by defendants (and their team) of inducing false allegations that put at least 3 people in jail. 1: https://gsep.pepperdine.edu/about/our-people/faculty/louis-cozolino/?faculty=lou_cozolino https://gsep.pepperdine.edu/about/our-people/faculty/louis-c...
        Yoric 4y ago
        In that case, my bad.
      - raffraffraff 4y ago
        Diane Ehrensaft is one. She wrote a paper on it. She's still around.
beebeepka 4y ago
Absolutely horrible. As always, all these things that made no sense at all, boiled down to certain people trying to gain something/make money. It was never about saving the kids :(
- MaKey 4y ago
  > It was never about saving the kids :( It never is (see the chat control ideas of the EU Commission).
riffraff 4y ago
Ah bummer that's why this story seemed familiar, I remembered the case in Italy, not the one in the US, thanks for mentioning this.
birracerveza 4y ago
>unfortunately no En version of the page For the best. My blood is fucking boiling. I can't even imagine what these families were put through, this is beyond horrible. This is the work of demons indeed!
- account42 4y ago
  > This is the work of demons indeed! Unfortunately, no. Just regular humans.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    Only a human can be demonic.
- wellanyway 4y ago
  Talk about making wrong conclusions...
gattilorenz 4y ago
I think on Prime Video the video report of the investigation (“Veleno”) has English subtitles as well and closely follows the Audible podcast.

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blackwateragent 4y ago

> a special spot-the-satanist training that the teachers received as part of their professional development [...] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diavoli_della_Bassa_modenese https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diavoli_della_Bassa_modenese (unfortunately no En version of the page) I'm curious, as there is no English page, do you have any more information I can pursue regarding the 'spot-the-satanist training'? Curious what exactly that entailed and the signs they looked for.

8f2ab37a-ed6c 4y ago
It's cited in the Audible series itself (that's where the investigation was originally published: https://www.audible.com/pd/Podcast/B08JJNYH2J https://www.audible.com/pd/Podcast/B08JJNYH2J), which is many hours of content, so I wouldn't be able to easily dig that up unfortunately. If I recall correctly, it was a wave of professional instruction that was making its way through either teacher ed or psychologist ed, I imagine of US/UK origin. Do a search for "satanic ritual abuse" and all of the studies around it, e.g. https://www.jstor.org/stable/3813055 https://www.jstor.org/stable/3813055 By the way, here's one of the psychologists involved in the scandal getting jail time 20+ years later: https://www.ansa.it/english/news/politics/2021/11/11/psychiatrist-gets-4-yrs-in-fostering-abuse-case_13563c9a-b2e8-4d36-b2ab-f44c03bed859.html https://www.ansa.it/english/news/politics/2021/11/11/psychia... Just to clarify, since I misspoke, the training was not about spotting satanists, it was about spotting symptoms of satanic ritual abuse in children victimized by them.
- raffraffraff 4y ago
  Those responsible rarely get their comeuppance. I mean the academics and psychiatrists who invent this baloney, and continue pushing it for years, sustaining the delusion. Some of them are still practicing today. They've casually moved onto other things.
  - Yoric 4y ago
    Academics? At least in what I've seen of the US satanic panic, there were no academics that I know of. Journalists, police consultants, quack shrinks (I forgot which kind of psy.* they were), political and religious authorities, and generally people who had some power and/or money to gain from the panic.
    - aidenn0 4y ago
      GP posted an article by someone who was then (and appears to still be[1]) a professor of psychology at Pepperdine. If he's not an academic then we are fairly far into "no true Scottsman" at this point. [edit] I also forgot about the Bragas who were child psychologists at the University of Miami who have been accused by defendants (and their team) of inducing false allegations that put at least 3 people in jail. 1: https://gsep.pepperdine.edu/about/our-people/faculty/louis-cozolino/?faculty=lou_cozolino https://gsep.pepperdine.edu/about/our-people/faculty/louis-c...
      - Yoric 4y ago
        In that case, my bad.
    - raffraffraff 4y ago
      Diane Ehrensaft is one. She wrote a paper on it. She's still around.

beebeepka 4y ago

Absolutely horrible. As always, all these things that made no sense at all, boiled down to certain people trying to gain something/make money. It was never about saving the kids :(

MaKey 4y ago
> It was never about saving the kids :( It never is (see the chat control ideas of the EU Commission).

riffraff 4y ago

Ah bummer that's why this story seemed familiar, I remembered the case in Italy, not the one in the US, thanks for mentioning this.

birracerveza 4y ago

>unfortunately no En version of the page For the best. My blood is fucking boiling. I can't even imagine what these families were put through, this is beyond horrible. This is the work of demons indeed!

account42 4y ago
> This is the work of demons indeed! Unfortunately, no. Just regular humans.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  Only a human can be demonic.
wellanyway 4y ago
Talk about making wrong conclusions...

gattilorenz 4y ago

I think on Prime Video the video report of the investigation (“Veleno”) has English subtitles as well and closely follows the Audible podcast.