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Relatively happy to see it... though I do tend to lean towards the free speech side of the coin, and kind of miss the relative wild west that was IRC in the 90'

Relatively happy to see it... though I do tend to lean towards the free speech side of the coin, and kind of miss the relative wild west that was IRC in the 90's. I feel like centralized social media is a blessing and a curse. What's old is new again.

emodendroket 4y ago
“Free speech” is a term that’s been completely abused and used in bad faith.
- tracker1 4y ago
  Is your assertion that I'm using it in bad faith?
  - emodendroket 4y ago
    No, but rather that Musk has been using it in bad faith (I’m assuming “I support free speech” was meant to qualify the criticism of Twitter under Musk’s leadership).
    - tracker1 4y ago
      Yeah, Musk's definition of supporting free speech wasn't much to speak of... better than the old guard, but really weird in ways too. For me, short of threats or calls for violence I'm pretty open to whatever... As long as you're able to as an individual block/filter. Though the NSFW content on Twitter can be pretty bad and wouldn't mind being able to selectively filter that as a user too.
      - emodendroket 4y ago
        I don’t think it is better than “the old guard” at all. I would agree with this piece (which contains examples to make the point), that all he’s done is boost ideas he likes hearing and suppress ones he doesn’t in nakedly partisan fashion: https://apple.news/ANuPT612pRca2DdolgCyu1g https://apple.news/ANuPT612pRca2DdolgCyu1g And it does neatly summarize what I meant about the term “free speech” being abused: “ For them, free speech is when they can say what they want, and when you can say what they want.”
        tracker1 4y ago
        I'm guessing you also don't participate in more conservative circles either... The before and after is a stark contrast to say the least. I don't always agree with conservatives, but do follow a lot of anti establishment libertarians and conservatives.
alsetmusic 4y ago
> I feel like centralized social media is a blessing and a curse. This is what makes Mastadon interesting. I'm not using it, but a lot of people I pay attention to are.
davidw 4y ago
> wild west that was IRC in the 90's. There was tons of /kick and /ban there too...
- TeMPOraL 4y ago
  But there wasn't the equivalent of Mastodon culture of "hello server admin, nice instance you have here, it's a shame if it were to be defederated simply because you chose not to defederate the people we tell you to".
  - corobo 4y ago
    Wasn't that literally how and why EFnet started?
- tracker1 4y ago
  Yeah, but generally that was on a channel by channel basis.

emodendroket 4y ago

“Free speech” is a term that’s been completely abused and used in bad faith.

tracker1 4y ago
Is your assertion that I'm using it in bad faith?
- emodendroket 4y ago
  No, but rather that Musk has been using it in bad faith (I’m assuming “I support free speech” was meant to qualify the criticism of Twitter under Musk’s leadership).
  - tracker1 4y ago
    Yeah, Musk's definition of supporting free speech wasn't much to speak of... better than the old guard, but really weird in ways too. For me, short of threats or calls for violence I'm pretty open to whatever... As long as you're able to as an individual block/filter. Though the NSFW content on Twitter can be pretty bad and wouldn't mind being able to selectively filter that as a user too.
    - emodendroket 4y ago
      I don’t think it is better than “the old guard” at all. I would agree with this piece (which contains examples to make the point), that all he’s done is boost ideas he likes hearing and suppress ones he doesn’t in nakedly partisan fashion: https://apple.news/ANuPT612pRca2DdolgCyu1g https://apple.news/ANuPT612pRca2DdolgCyu1g And it does neatly summarize what I meant about the term “free speech” being abused: “ For them, free speech is when they can say what they want, and when you can say what they want.”
      - tracker1 4y ago
        I'm guessing you also don't participate in more conservative circles either... The before and after is a stark contrast to say the least. I don't always agree with conservatives, but do follow a lot of anti establishment libertarians and conservatives.

alsetmusic 4y ago

> I feel like centralized social media is a blessing and a curse. This is what makes Mastadon interesting. I'm not using it, but a lot of people I pay attention to are.

davidw 4y ago

> wild west that was IRC in the 90's. There was tons of /kick and /ban there too...

TeMPOraL 4y ago
But there wasn't the equivalent of Mastodon culture of "hello server admin, nice instance you have here, it's a shame if it were to be defederated simply because you chose not to defederate the people we tell you to".
- corobo 4y ago
  Wasn't that literally how and why EFnet started?
tracker1 4y ago
Yeah, but generally that was on a channel by channel basis.