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> that deserve to be robbed Even if I dislike people I still don't condone stealing from them.

by ddtaylor 4y ago

craigmcnamara 4y ago
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bitcharmer 4y ago
Kissinger is a war criminal
- ddtaylor 4y ago
  Then hold him accountable for any crimes he has committed. No amount of stealing money from fraudulent investments is going to solve or help convict him of war crimes.
  - bitcharmer 4y ago
    > Then hold him accountable This is a hilariously naive take on how the world works
  - AHOHA 4y ago
    >hold an elite accountable by the law written by an elite. Laws are the tools written to control the general public by the elites, good luck with that.
- gvedem 4y ago
  how does that address the point that committing crimes against bad people is still bad? if you start to make exceptions for people you don't like you're just flushing the whole Enlightenment "let's stop persecuting Protestants/Catholics when they're not in power" thing down the toilet.
  - analognoise 4y ago
    Persecuting based on religion: bad. Persecuting based on class in a society with such an unequal distribution of wealth? Fair game. They're already at war with us; don't carry their water for them and pretend we're "equal before the law" or some such nonsense. We clearly aren't.
- metadat 4y ago
  I didn't know until now. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/1/31/galant-welcoming-war-crimes/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/1/31/galant-welcomin...
Eisenstein 4y ago
You don't think anyone should ever steal? What about a partisan group opposing an occupation? Is it allowable to steal weapons from the aggressor's depot, or must they remain moral? At what point is stealing permissible?
- ddtaylor 4y ago
  The situations you are describing are essentially war time or marshal law style events. Under those circumstances almost all laws are either suspended or unable to be enforced and essentially the fabric of society is already severed. The same "arguments" could be made by replacing the word "steal" with "murder" and I would still have the same position and principles, because I also do not condone murder even if the person being murdered is someone I despise.
  - Eisenstein 4y ago
    I asked a question.
    - ddtaylor 4y ago
      > You don't think anyone should ever steal? I think in all contexts stealing is wrong, it's just in some contexts stealing being wrong doesn't matter because the alternative of dying makes it a moot point. > What about a partisan group opposing an occupation? This was answered as essentially war-time activity. It's still wrong to steal from someone, but again the alternative of being killed makes it a moot point. > At what point is stealing permissible? Stealing is still wrong, it's just that it can obviously exist in scenarios that are so wrong for other reasons that the stealing is the least of concern.

> that deserve to be robbed Even if I dislike people I still don't condone stealing from them.

craigmcnamara 4y ago

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bitcharmer 4y ago

Kissinger is a war criminal

ddtaylor 4y ago
Then hold him accountable for any crimes he has committed. No amount of stealing money from fraudulent investments is going to solve or help convict him of war crimes.
- bitcharmer 4y ago
  > Then hold him accountable This is a hilariously naive take on how the world works
- AHOHA 4y ago
  >hold an elite accountable by the law written by an elite. Laws are the tools written to control the general public by the elites, good luck with that.
gvedem 4y ago
how does that address the point that committing crimes against bad people is still bad? if you start to make exceptions for people you don't like you're just flushing the whole Enlightenment "let's stop persecuting Protestants/Catholics when they're not in power" thing down the toilet.
- analognoise 4y ago
  Persecuting based on religion: bad. Persecuting based on class in a society with such an unequal distribution of wealth? Fair game. They're already at war with us; don't carry their water for them and pretend we're "equal before the law" or some such nonsense. We clearly aren't.
metadat 4y ago
I didn't know until now. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/1/31/galant-welcoming-war-crimes/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/1/31/galant-welcomin...

Eisenstein 4y ago

You don't think anyone should ever steal? What about a partisan group opposing an occupation? Is it allowable to steal weapons from the aggressor's depot, or must they remain moral? At what point is stealing permissible?

ddtaylor 4y ago
The situations you are describing are essentially war time or marshal law style events. Under those circumstances almost all laws are either suspended or unable to be enforced and essentially the fabric of society is already severed. The same "arguments" could be made by replacing the word "steal" with "murder" and I would still have the same position and principles, because I also do not condone murder even if the person being murdered is someone I despise.
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  I asked a question.
  - ddtaylor 4y ago
    > You don't think anyone should ever steal? I think in all contexts stealing is wrong, it's just in some contexts stealing being wrong doesn't matter because the alternative of dying makes it a moot point. > What about a partisan group opposing an occupation? This was answered as essentially war-time activity. It's still wrong to steal from someone, but again the alternative of being killed makes it a moot point. > At what point is stealing permissible? Stealing is still wrong, it's just that it can obviously exist in scenarios that are so wrong for other reasons that the stealing is the least of concern.