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Where would you even go? Who‘d even want you? Russia? A life in either one of the few countries that doesn‘t do extraditions to the USA or staying in hiding, al

Where would you even go? Who‘d even want you? Russia? A life in either one of the few countries that doesn‘t do extraditions to the USA or staying in hiding, always afraid, sounds miserable.

etrautmann 4y ago
Sure, but compared to jail? I could imaging preferring living in a small cabin off the grid in some remote place as an alternative. She obviously deserves it, but in the hypothetical case the alternatives don’t seem all that terrible.
- Traubenfuchs 4y ago
  I guess living in a weird, alien place til death with your stolen millions is better than 16 years in prison.
- oh_sigh 4y ago
  Prison for 11 years, realistically prison for 5 years and then a supervised release. It's not the end of the world. And she will still be able to see her kids by doing this.
  - mikeyouse 4y ago
    No, Federal prisons aren't subject to parole or supervised release. There are limited credits for good behavior that max out at 15% of her sentence so the best possible outcome for her is serving 9 years and 7 months of her 135 month sentence. She won't be out of prison before 2033.
  - tschwimmer 4y ago
    Holmes was charged with a federal crime and there is currently no parole for federal crimes. [0] She will do almost all of the 11 years. There is a good conduct reduction, which caps out at 54 days a year, so it's possible she could get out in 9 1/2 years. [1] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_parole_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_parole_in_the_United_S... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_conduct_time#:~:text=Good%20conduct%20time%2C%20good%20time,and%2For%20crimes%20while%20incarcerated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_conduct_time#:~:text=Good....
    - oh_sigh 4y ago
      Doesn't need to be parole. It could be home confinement under the CARES act. Michael Conahan from kids for cash was sentenced to 17.5 years and only served 10 before being allowed to go to home confinement - I'm sure Elizabeth can find a way.
  - Mountain_Skies 4y ago
    It's a federal sentence so she will be doing most of the time assigned. Each year of good behavior gets up to 47* days taken off the prisoner's sentence. IIRC, these are awarded at the end of each year in prison, so you can't just calculate 11*47 to get the reduction as if she behaves, she'll only be in nine and a partial year. She'll miss out on those last two years of sentence reductions. * The law says 54 but in practice it's 47.
gpm 4y ago
If you have no morals and sufficient money I imagine life in Russia (or a number of other places) could be reasonably pleasant.
shrubble 4y ago
France? Or even Israel also (doesn't deport for financial crimes), though I don't know her background.
- arlcode 4y ago
  Do they not deport foreigners who try to flee justice or is she a citizen in either country. Both are allies of the US and even though France is from time to time prone to do some diplomatic PR stunts they don't exactly love her kind of fraud. Israels government is currently busy with internal politics and America can lean very heavily on them. Her only realistic option would be someplace that doesn't like America and is big enough to not be worth the effort of pressuring them. And they would need to be willing to take in someone who defrauded patients for profit. Not quite eye to eye with someone like snowden

Where would you even go? Who‘d even want you? Russia? A life in either one of the few countries that doesn‘t do extraditions to the USA or staying in hiding, always afraid, sounds miserable.

etrautmann 4y ago

Sure, but compared to jail? I could imaging preferring living in a small cabin off the grid in some remote place as an alternative. She obviously deserves it, but in the hypothetical case the alternatives don’t seem all that terrible.

Traubenfuchs 4y ago
I guess living in a weird, alien place til death with your stolen millions is better than 16 years in prison.
oh_sigh 4y ago
Prison for 11 years, realistically prison for 5 years and then a supervised release. It's not the end of the world. And she will still be able to see her kids by doing this.
- mikeyouse 4y ago
  No, Federal prisons aren't subject to parole or supervised release. There are limited credits for good behavior that max out at 15% of her sentence so the best possible outcome for her is serving 9 years and 7 months of her 135 month sentence. She won't be out of prison before 2033.
- tschwimmer 4y ago
  Holmes was charged with a federal crime and there is currently no parole for federal crimes. [0] She will do almost all of the 11 years. There is a good conduct reduction, which caps out at 54 days a year, so it's possible she could get out in 9 1/2 years. [1] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_parole_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_parole_in_the_United_S... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_conduct_time#:~:text=Good%20conduct%20time%2C%20good%20time,and%2For%20crimes%20while%20incarcerated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_conduct_time#:~:text=Good....
  - oh_sigh 4y ago
    Doesn't need to be parole. It could be home confinement under the CARES act. Michael Conahan from kids for cash was sentenced to 17.5 years and only served 10 before being allowed to go to home confinement - I'm sure Elizabeth can find a way.
- Mountain_Skies 4y ago
  It's a federal sentence so she will be doing most of the time assigned. Each year of good behavior gets up to 47* days taken off the prisoner's sentence. IIRC, these are awarded at the end of each year in prison, so you can't just calculate 11*47 to get the reduction as if she behaves, she'll only be in nine and a partial year. She'll miss out on those last two years of sentence reductions. * The law says 54 but in practice it's 47.

gpm 4y ago

If you have no morals and sufficient money I imagine life in Russia (or a number of other places) could be reasonably pleasant.

shrubble 4y ago

France? Or even Israel also (doesn't deport for financial crimes), though I don't know her background.

arlcode 4y ago
Do they not deport foreigners who try to flee justice or is she a citizen in either country. Both are allies of the US and even though France is from time to time prone to do some diplomatic PR stunts they don't exactly love her kind of fraud. Israels government is currently busy with internal politics and America can lean very heavily on them. Her only realistic option would be someplace that doesn't like America and is big enough to not be worth the effort of pressuring them. And they would need to be willing to take in someone who defrauded patients for profit. Not quite eye to eye with someone like snowden