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I used Bing today. I’m denting.

alfor 4y ago
I tried Edge and bing, God awful. You just feel their desire to take control of your experience of the web. On the flip site, made me see how much Google own us all.
- raytube 4y ago
  I use ddg everyday and I hate it. I resort to Google shortly after. Not personalised so I guess I am missing out on decent returns.
  - K5EiS 4y ago
    I tried ddg, but i found myself adding !g a lot, so i just switched back.
    - propogandist 4y ago
      try Brave’s search service
  - manmal 4y ago
    Have you tried kagi? I‘m finding it better than ddg and often on paar with G.
    - andyjohnson0 4y ago
      +1 for Kagi. It's been my default search engine since Jan '22 and I'm very happy with it. On the rare occasions when I use Bing or Google I'm reminded all over again why I'm happy to pay for search.
      - manmal 4y ago
        I’m having the same experience. Anytime I’m not satisfied with kagi’s results, I try Google and that’s usually worse.
- jascination 4y ago
  What's wrong with Edge? I started using it when Chrome started eating my RAM, it's been mostly unobtrusive and unnoticed, like a good browser should be.
  - tracker1 4y ago
    Can't speak for anyone else, for me I've mostly liked it. But I use a separate password manager (bitwarden) and disable most of the embedded addons (shopping, etc). So it's a bit mixed.
  - tomp 4y ago
    I installed it on Mac to use Bing Chat. It immediately took over my whole screen, in a completely weird way that no native Mac app ever did before (in my experience, though I don't use that many Mac apps).
  - emodendroket 4y ago
    How much better could the memory profile really be if they’re using the same rendering engine?
  - Tempest1981 4y ago
    Edge keeps trying to turn on sync-to-Microsoft. I keep saying no. Once, I think it turned it on without asking. I assume it has more telemetry than Chrome... anyone checked?
  - alfor 4y ago
    I wanted to be the default browser, ok. It wanted to import all my info.. no thanks there was other nastyness I don’t remember. Then it showed me so much junk and crappy news on new page, it was pure propaganda. That was the end of it. I know it’s possible to configure all those things, but the starting experience was soo bad I got away quickly.
    - coliveira 4y ago
      It is classic microsoft behavior. They don't create apps, they create traps. The end goal is just to make people slaves of their software. The software they create is just "leverage" so they can trap more and more of you or your business.
- AJ007 4y ago
  I've been using perplexity.ai for anything that's not a site/company/person name look up.
nicenewtemp84 4y ago
I used bing chat (supposedly using gpt4) and it was far more annoying than openai free chatgpt (supposedly using gpt3.5) Somehow Microsoft found a way to make it worse?
- 6031769 4y ago
  Of course they did. That ought to be their slogan. "Microsoft: finding a way to make it worse since 1975"
  - coliveira 4y ago
    Yes, I wonder why is so difficult for people to understand this. Microsoft wants to make your life worse, even when they have good software.
    - nicenewtemp84 4y ago
      I find it hard to believe that they WANT to make my life worse. I think that they are simply ok with making my life worse if it makes their life better at all.
- heckerhut 4y ago
  Agree, prefer to pay for chatgpt then using Microsoft’s free crapware.
- redmaverick 4y ago
  exactly.. its not very usable. They don't even have to innovate anything. just copy ChatGPT interface and display the results.
- Karrot_Kream 4y ago
  I have access but don't have a box with Edge running on it nearby to use it. What about it was worse? A few friends tell me that uniting chat with the LLM makes it hallucinate a lot less and makes it easier to check its work, but they only used it a couple times.
- 4y ago
anonporridge 4y ago
Boomer. The kids use reddit and tiktok.
- benatkin 4y ago
  The original redditors are the boomers of HN. The crowd has changed quite a bit though. Still lots of good stuff on there.
spaceman_2020 4y ago
For almost all technical queries, I've found GPT-4 to be vastly superior. Most of the time, my search queries are just to find websites. Like I'll search for "[movie] rotten tomatoes" or "[book] wiki". I've found duckduckgo to be a good enough replacement for Google for such queries.
benatkin 4y ago
Arthur or Harvey?
emodendroket 4y ago
If I used the preferences of commenters here as a basis to make investments I’d lose all my money pretty quickly.
somsak2 4y ago
I was able to use Google twice today so was able to offset your dent.

I tried Edge and bing, God awful. You just feel their desire to take control of your experience of the web. On the flip site, made me see how much Google own us all.

raytube 4y ago
I use ddg everyday and I hate it. I resort to Google shortly after. Not personalised so I guess I am missing out on decent returns.
- K5EiS 4y ago
  I tried ddg, but i found myself adding !g a lot, so i just switched back.
  - propogandist 4y ago
    try Brave’s search service
- manmal 4y ago
  Have you tried kagi? I‘m finding it better than ddg and often on paar with G.
  - andyjohnson0 4y ago
    +1 for Kagi. It's been my default search engine since Jan '22 and I'm very happy with it. On the rare occasions when I use Bing or Google I'm reminded all over again why I'm happy to pay for search.
    - manmal 4y ago
      I’m having the same experience. Anytime I’m not satisfied with kagi’s results, I try Google and that’s usually worse.
jascination 4y ago
What's wrong with Edge? I started using it when Chrome started eating my RAM, it's been mostly unobtrusive and unnoticed, like a good browser should be.
- tracker1 4y ago
  Can't speak for anyone else, for me I've mostly liked it. But I use a separate password manager (bitwarden) and disable most of the embedded addons (shopping, etc). So it's a bit mixed.
- tomp 4y ago
  I installed it on Mac to use Bing Chat. It immediately took over my whole screen, in a completely weird way that no native Mac app ever did before (in my experience, though I don't use that many Mac apps).
- emodendroket 4y ago
  How much better could the memory profile really be if they’re using the same rendering engine?
- Tempest1981 4y ago
  Edge keeps trying to turn on sync-to-Microsoft. I keep saying no. Once, I think it turned it on without asking. I assume it has more telemetry than Chrome... anyone checked?
- alfor 4y ago
  I wanted to be the default browser, ok. It wanted to import all my info.. no thanks there was other nastyness I don’t remember. Then it showed me so much junk and crappy news on new page, it was pure propaganda. That was the end of it. I know it’s possible to configure all those things, but the starting experience was soo bad I got away quickly.
  - coliveira 4y ago
    It is classic microsoft behavior. They don't create apps, they create traps. The end goal is just to make people slaves of their software. The software they create is just "leverage" so they can trap more and more of you or your business.
AJ007 4y ago
I've been using perplexity.ai for anything that's not a site/company/person name look up.

nicenewtemp84 4y ago

I used bing chat (supposedly using gpt4) and it was far more annoying than openai free chatgpt (supposedly using gpt3.5) Somehow Microsoft found a way to make it worse?

6031769 4y ago
Of course they did. That ought to be their slogan. "Microsoft: finding a way to make it worse since 1975"
- coliveira 4y ago
  Yes, I wonder why is so difficult for people to understand this. Microsoft wants to make your life worse, even when they have good software.
  - nicenewtemp84 4y ago
    I find it hard to believe that they WANT to make my life worse. I think that they are simply ok with making my life worse if it makes their life better at all.
heckerhut 4y ago
Agree, prefer to pay for chatgpt then using Microsoft’s free crapware.
redmaverick 4y ago
exactly.. its not very usable. They don't even have to innovate anything. just copy ChatGPT interface and display the results.
Karrot_Kream 4y ago
I have access but don't have a box with Edge running on it nearby to use it. What about it was worse? A few friends tell me that uniting chat with the LLM makes it hallucinate a lot less and makes it easier to check its work, but they only used it a couple times.
4y ago

anonporridge 4y ago

Boomer. The kids use reddit and tiktok.

benatkin 4y ago
The original redditors are the boomers of HN. The crowd has changed quite a bit though. Still lots of good stuff on there.

spaceman_2020 4y ago

For almost all technical queries, I've found GPT-4 to be vastly superior. Most of the time, my search queries are just to find websites. Like I'll search for "[movie] rotten tomatoes" or "[book] wiki". I've found duckduckgo to be a good enough replacement for Google for such queries.

benatkin 4y ago

Arthur or Harvey?

emodendroket 4y ago

If I used the preferences of commenters here as a basis to make investments I’d lose all my money pretty quickly.

somsak2 4y ago

I was able to use Google twice today so was able to offset your dent.