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Why does this make it beneficial to outlaw athiesm?

antibasilisk 4y ago
Religious people generally necessarily believe that religiosity is good and atheism is bad. So suppressing atheism is clearly in our interest.
- skissane 4y ago
  Many religious people believe that voluntary religiosity is good and forced religiosity is bad.
  - antibasilisk 4y ago
    Only because they haven't understood the situation.
    - hydrok9 4y ago
      I highly doubt you understand the situation as well as you'd like to think. You're calling for a theocracy, and I assume forced re-education and/or mass murder of non-religious people. This, in your mind, is the best way to have a stable society? And you came to this conclusion because of the influence of some shitty, middle-brow Youtubers and their click-bait? Bizarre.
      - antibasilisk 4y ago
        It's not as bizarre as perhaps you might hope, you would be surprised at the number of people coming to similar conclusions and who trod a similar path to get there. People like Daniel Haqiqatjou and Nick Fuentes didn't pop up out of nowhere, and they're just the tip of the iceberg.
        hydrok9 4y ago
        Ahh, Fuentes and Haqiqatjou. Are you an incel? And yes it is still bizarre, reactionary, self-indulgent silliness. No different than if I was to start saying we need to kill all the god-believers because of the times they told me I was going to hell. Kill them all, because they clearly don't respect me and are in my way, who knows what theyll do next. They'll do anything if its in that book of theirs!! "the only really straight heterosexual position is to be an asexual incel." -Nick Fuentes
        antibasilisk 4y ago
        >Are you an incel? Thankfully God blessed me with charisma, good looks and a positive outlook. >No different than if I was to start saying we need to kill all the god-believers because of the times they told me I was going to hell. Kill them all, because they clearly don't respect me and are in my way, who knows what theyll do next. They'll do anything if its in that book of theirs!! Many atheists already hold this view either explicitly or in effect, and it's a more logically consistent one than yours. There's nothing stopping you from staying silent in the prisoner's dilemma, but confession is the most strategic choice. >"the only really straight heterosexual position is to be an asexual incel." -Nick Fuentes lol
        hydrok9 4y ago
        Good luck with your siege mentality.
        skissane 4y ago
        I knew who Nick Fuentes was, but Daniel Haqiqatjou is a new name for me. So I looked him up, and found his blog, and this is the latest post on it: "Why Should Muslims Defend Slavery and Minor Marriage?" https://muslimskeptic.com/2023/04/10/slavery-minor-marriage/ https://muslimskeptic.com/2023/04/10/slavery-minor-marriage/ As per the title, it explains his belief, as a radical Muslim, that slavery and underage marriage ought to be defended If this is where you are getting your ideas from–I don't really know what to say in response. A lot of people who ended up joining Islamic State and blowing themselves up on some battlefield in Syria, they started out by listening to people who say the sort of things that he does
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    - skissane 4y ago
      Or because that's what their religion says. For example, Catholicism: Vatican II's declaration on religious freedom (Dignitatis humanae) says that "a wrong is done when government imposes upon its people, by force or fear or other means, the profession or repudiation of any religion, or when it hinders men from joining or leaving a religious community". Of course, some Trad Catholics reject Vatican II, and for many of them their biggest disagreement with it, is not anything to do with liturgy (as one might expect), it's this teaching on religious freedom. But, unlike many Trads, most Catholics don't reject that – not just moderate or liberal Catholics, even many very conservative ones. A devout Opus Dei member who prays to Pope Saint John Paul II every day can't reject Vatican II, because JP2 taught very explicitly that it was binding, and because Opus Dei was always a big supporter of it (and still is–which is a big part of why many Trads, SSPX in particular, dislike them so much).
      - antibasilisk 4y ago
        This is interesting, thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Religious people generally necessarily believe that religiosity is good and atheism is bad. So suppressing atheism is clearly in our interest.

skissane 4y ago
Many religious people believe that voluntary religiosity is good and forced religiosity is bad.
- antibasilisk 4y ago
  Only because they haven't understood the situation.
  - hydrok9 4y ago
    I highly doubt you understand the situation as well as you'd like to think. You're calling for a theocracy, and I assume forced re-education and/or mass murder of non-religious people. This, in your mind, is the best way to have a stable society? And you came to this conclusion because of the influence of some shitty, middle-brow Youtubers and their click-bait? Bizarre.
    - antibasilisk 4y ago
      It's not as bizarre as perhaps you might hope, you would be surprised at the number of people coming to similar conclusions and who trod a similar path to get there. People like Daniel Haqiqatjou and Nick Fuentes didn't pop up out of nowhere, and they're just the tip of the iceberg.
      - hydrok9 4y ago
        Ahh, Fuentes and Haqiqatjou. Are you an incel? And yes it is still bizarre, reactionary, self-indulgent silliness. No different than if I was to start saying we need to kill all the god-believers because of the times they told me I was going to hell. Kill them all, because they clearly don't respect me and are in my way, who knows what theyll do next. They'll do anything if its in that book of theirs!! "the only really straight heterosexual position is to be an asexual incel." -Nick Fuentes
        antibasilisk 4y ago
        >Are you an incel? Thankfully God blessed me with charisma, good looks and a positive outlook. >No different than if I was to start saying we need to kill all the god-believers because of the times they told me I was going to hell. Kill them all, because they clearly don't respect me and are in my way, who knows what theyll do next. They'll do anything if its in that book of theirs!! Many atheists already hold this view either explicitly or in effect, and it's a more logically consistent one than yours. There's nothing stopping you from staying silent in the prisoner's dilemma, but confession is the most strategic choice. >"the only really straight heterosexual position is to be an asexual incel." -Nick Fuentes lol
        hydrok9 4y ago
        Good luck with your siege mentality.
      - skissane 4y ago
        I knew who Nick Fuentes was, but Daniel Haqiqatjou is a new name for me. So I looked him up, and found his blog, and this is the latest post on it: "Why Should Muslims Defend Slavery and Minor Marriage?" https://muslimskeptic.com/2023/04/10/slavery-minor-marriage/ https://muslimskeptic.com/2023/04/10/slavery-minor-marriage/ As per the title, it explains his belief, as a radical Muslim, that slavery and underage marriage ought to be defended If this is where you are getting your ideas from–I don't really know what to say in response. A lot of people who ended up joining Islamic State and blowing themselves up on some battlefield in Syria, they started out by listening to people who say the sort of things that he does
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  - skissane 4y ago
    Or because that's what their religion says. For example, Catholicism: Vatican II's declaration on religious freedom (Dignitatis humanae) says that "a wrong is done when government imposes upon its people, by force or fear or other means, the profession or repudiation of any religion, or when it hinders men from joining or leaving a religious community". Of course, some Trad Catholics reject Vatican II, and for many of them their biggest disagreement with it, is not anything to do with liturgy (as one might expect), it's this teaching on religious freedom. But, unlike many Trads, most Catholics don't reject that – not just moderate or liberal Catholics, even many very conservative ones. A devout Opus Dei member who prays to Pope Saint John Paul II every day can't reject Vatican II, because JP2 taught very explicitly that it was binding, and because Opus Dei was always a big supporter of it (and still is–which is a big part of why many Trads, SSPX in particular, dislike them so much).
    - antibasilisk 4y ago
      This is interesting, thank you for bringing it to my attention.