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Rate of violent crime in Montana continues to surpass national rate (2021)

17 points by maxwell 4y ago

Acrobatic_Road 4y ago
Isn't there a problem with FBI crime data right now because many police department's aren't reporting? https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/lack-of-police-reporting-to-fbi-blocks-estimated-crime-data https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/lack-of-police-repo...
Animats 4y ago
“There was a huge surge in gun purchases in 2020 when the pandemic started, and more guns generally equate to more violence. ... What seems to be driving the historical increase in violent crime in the state is aggravated assault, which has increased in Montana from a rate of 108 per 100,000 in 1990 to 383 in 2020. Nationally, the aggravated assault rate dropped during the same time from 422 in 1990 to 280 in 2020." "Aggravated assault" generally means "used a weapon". It doesn't have to be a gun. But it usually is.
red-iron-pine 4y ago
> “This is sort of a longer-term pattern in Montana, that we have seen our rate of violent crime go up as the rate of violent crime for the United States overall sort of fell throughout the ’90s and the early part of the 2000s,” said Cody Warner, an associate professor at Montana State University who teaches criminology. Sounds like it's not the first time, and that MT is isolated from broader trends on the coast that eventually take time to catch up. Interesting, though, that both periods tend to correlate with left-wing presidents and dropping rates nationally, but not in MT. Right wing nutjobs gonna nutjob?
- all2 4y ago
  You had me until "Right wing nutjobs gonna nutjob?"
ryanjohnston 4y ago
Incredible. In the face of growing violence, the official still manages to stay firm on blaming 'mask wearing' for driving increased violence including murder and rape. People have lost their minds.
- baremetal 4y ago
  Allow me to quote Vinny West "No Face No Case" No face, no case But I hit the first night, first date Put that thang all on my face Do what I say, what I say Shoreline Mafia Four-fifth my waist, pull up, do you, no face, no case, SOBxRBE - Can't Masked up, no face, no case (Lil' n**a) Still on the block thuggin', ain't shit changed (Nope) Back to back in big bodies, switchin' lanes I'm from the street, maybe you don't know what its like. But masking up is a real thing that facilitates crime. And they brag about it even. It is easy to think you know something when you know so little that you don't know that you don't know.
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- maxwell 4y ago
  To what do you attribute the rise in crime in Montana compared to nationally?
  - xboxnolifes 4y ago
    Looking at the chart given, something that started prior to 2018, maybe even back in 2012.
baremetal 4y ago
Interesting, I can walk down the street and I don't fear for my safety. I can leave my bike out overnight on my front porch. I don't worry about porch pirates or catalytic converter thefts. And the murder rate is effectively 0. I was liberal for a long time, then covid hit. Allow me to bask in the safety that is conservatism and a culture of personal responsibility.
- all2 4y ago
  Do you live in Montana?
  - baremetal 4y ago
    I am within an hours drive from Montana.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  My uncle lives in a super conservative/Trumpy town in Texas. He's a couple houses down from the local meth lab, and he's literally had his trash can stolen; basically anything that is not bolted down needs to be locked up, and they do have angle grinders, so those bolts aren't even a sure thing. A co-worker of mine lives in a different small Texas town and it's remarkable how I can compare stories of his to my uncle's (down to the meth lab). I'd say that personal responsibility means locking those things up in this case.
  - baremetal 4y ago
    >He's a couple houses down from the local meth lab, Meth is $2000 a pound. No one makes it anymore. You can't even get the ingredients for that cheap. Nice made up story though. Not saying there isn't crime out in rural areas, but you can shoot thieves where I live, so its understandably not very common. I can't speak for Texas.
    - hotpotamus 4y ago
      True enough that I don't know about the economics of modern meth production, I'm just repeating what all the neighbors say. What I have seen with my own eyes is the constant stream of vehicle traffic that stops by for very short visits which seems consistent with distribution. I can also tell you that they are indeed a very gun-loving people, but that doesn't really seem to help with the poverty, crime, and drug use.

17 points by maxwell 4y ago

Isn't there a problem with FBI crime data right now because many police department's aren't reporting? https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/lack-of-police-reporting-to-fbi-blocks-estimated-crime-data https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/lack-of-police-repo...

Animats 4y ago

“There was a huge surge in gun purchases in 2020 when the pandemic started, and more guns generally equate to more violence. ... What seems to be driving the historical increase in violent crime in the state is aggravated assault, which has increased in Montana from a rate of 108 per 100,000 in 1990 to 383 in 2020. Nationally, the aggravated assault rate dropped during the same time from 422 in 1990 to 280 in 2020." "Aggravated assault" generally means "used a weapon". It doesn't have to be a gun. But it usually is.

red-iron-pine 4y ago

> “This is sort of a longer-term pattern in Montana, that we have seen our rate of violent crime go up as the rate of violent crime for the United States overall sort of fell throughout the ’90s and the early part of the 2000s,” said Cody Warner, an associate professor at Montana State University who teaches criminology. Sounds like it's not the first time, and that MT is isolated from broader trends on the coast that eventually take time to catch up. Interesting, though, that both periods tend to correlate with left-wing presidents and dropping rates nationally, but not in MT. Right wing nutjobs gonna nutjob?

all2 4y ago
You had me until "Right wing nutjobs gonna nutjob?"

ryanjohnston 4y ago

Incredible. In the face of growing violence, the official still manages to stay firm on blaming 'mask wearing' for driving increased violence including murder and rape. People have lost their minds.

baremetal 4y ago
Allow me to quote Vinny West "No Face No Case" No face, no case But I hit the first night, first date Put that thang all on my face Do what I say, what I say Shoreline Mafia Four-fifth my waist, pull up, do you, no face, no case, SOBxRBE - Can't Masked up, no face, no case (Lil' n**a) Still on the block thuggin', ain't shit changed (Nope) Back to back in big bodies, switchin' lanes I'm from the street, maybe you don't know what its like. But masking up is a real thing that facilitates crime. And they brag about it even. It is easy to think you know something when you know so little that you don't know that you don't know.
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maxwell 4y ago
To what do you attribute the rise in crime in Montana compared to nationally?
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  Looking at the chart given, something that started prior to 2018, maybe even back in 2012.

baremetal 4y ago

Interesting, I can walk down the street and I don't fear for my safety. I can leave my bike out overnight on my front porch. I don't worry about porch pirates or catalytic converter thefts. And the murder rate is effectively 0. I was liberal for a long time, then covid hit. Allow me to bask in the safety that is conservatism and a culture of personal responsibility.

all2 4y ago
Do you live in Montana?
- baremetal 4y ago
  I am within an hours drive from Montana.
hotpotamus 4y ago
My uncle lives in a super conservative/Trumpy town in Texas. He's a couple houses down from the local meth lab, and he's literally had his trash can stolen; basically anything that is not bolted down needs to be locked up, and they do have angle grinders, so those bolts aren't even a sure thing. A co-worker of mine lives in a different small Texas town and it's remarkable how I can compare stories of his to my uncle's (down to the meth lab). I'd say that personal responsibility means locking those things up in this case.
- baremetal 4y ago
  >He's a couple houses down from the local meth lab, Meth is $2000 a pound. No one makes it anymore. You can't even get the ingredients for that cheap. Nice made up story though. Not saying there isn't crime out in rural areas, but you can shoot thieves where I live, so its understandably not very common. I can't speak for Texas.
  - hotpotamus 4y ago
    True enough that I don't know about the economics of modern meth production, I'm just repeating what all the neighbors say. What I have seen with my own eyes is the constant stream of vehicle traffic that stops by for very short visits which seems consistent with distribution. I can also tell you that they are indeed a very gun-loving people, but that doesn't really seem to help with the poverty, crime, and drug use.