> If you're familiar with the situation, you know that homeless frequently talk about the dangerous nature of shelters as a reason why they don't want to stay t

> If you're familiar with the situation, you know that homeless frequently talk about the dangerous nature of shelters as a reason why they don't want to stay there. If you're familiar with the post you're responding to, you know that I didn't disagree with that. How many times are you going to continue accusing me of this straw man argument? I've already told you that's not what I'm disagreeing with. You go on to quote a bunch of support for my assertion that shelters aren't homes. People herded into warehouses like cattle and forced into close proximity with no privacy get into fights? Why is that surprising to anyone? > > And you'll note, I'm not actually saying we put them in apartments right next to pre-existing tenants. > That's the way it is being implemented cities trying the "housing first" approach, though, and with predictable results (long time residents having to move as there's a sharp increase in crime and violence in the building). There are a bunch of reasons why that's happening: among them a refusal to re-purpose office and retail spaces which would be farther from existing residential areas, and intentional poor implementations of these programs by political interests so they can say they don't work. Failures of a poor implementation vaguely related to what I'm actually suggesting, aren't actually criticisms of my suggestion.