> They have been in NATO since 2004. My mistake, you're right. But not Finland. And I wasn't counting Poland, which was a former European imperial power; I don

> They have been in NATO since 2004. My mistake, you're right. But not Finland. And I wasn't counting Poland, which was a former European imperial power; I don't think of Poland and Sweden as being Baltic states, even though their coastlines are Baltic coastlines. In the same way (roughly), I don't think of Greece as a Balkan state.