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How is twitter ruined? My personal experience on the site has not changed much.

by hersko 4y ago

spaceman_2020 4y ago
Same. Except for the new “For You” tab, my feed is almost 100% the same.
PuppyTailWags 4y ago
Counter anecdote: my personal experience is that the site is less entertaining. I've encountered technical bugs more, such as replies not loading without refreshing multiple times. The "for you" page doesn't show me anything I want to see. The checkmark thing remains super confusing to me. The quality of the ads I've been served have noticeably decreased/gotten more skuzzy.
- LastTrain 4y ago
  > The quality of the ads I've been served have noticeably decreased/gotten more skuzzy. This is my experience as well, and is the thing the higher ups at Twitter should be really concerned about. Low rent.
capital_guy 4y ago
He keeps pushing the ‘for you’ page over the regular following tab that just shows tweets of people you follow The content moderation is basically nil now so tons of racist content is propagated throughout the network. Various technical bugs plaguing things - videos not playing, images not appearing, etc The verification system has been destroyed which has allowed fake accounts to run rampant The API has been wrecked, causing third party apps to stop working and massive amounts of research being done to be halted
- mlindner 4y ago
  All the data shows that racist content is down significantly following the purchase.
  - aniforprez 4y ago
    That's very much not the case https://www.euronews.com/2023/03/20/antisemitism-higher-than-ever-on-twitter-finds-report https://www.euronews.com/2023/03/20/antisemitism-higher-than...
    - mlindner 4y ago
      Look at the details of that report. They're measuring by _number_ of tweets rather than impressions. Hate speech impressions are down. i.e. if you want hate speech you have to go out of your way to find it using bots. Normal users are seeing them less after the purchase. It's really tiring to counter so much misinformation about this that flies about. It's not just a one-time drop either, the impressions continues to go down. https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1613335965996810241 https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1613335965996810241
      - Omatic810 4y ago
        Here's the report, the claim had no misinformation. https://beamdisinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Antisemitism-on-Twitter-Before-and-After-Elon-Musks-Acquisition.pdf https://beamdisinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Antisemit... Hate speech IS up. The claim was "hate speech is up". Impressions being down matters to the impact of the speech, but the claim stands - hate speech is up. You can claim it doesn't matter (and I might agree with you, since impressions are down, people know what to expect now, and the increase is significant but not huge at this point), but you can't honestly say the claim "hate speech is up" is misinformation. Edit: Actually, I had the claim backwards - YOU said it was DOWN, and you were wrong (according to the report). So to correct myself - the person refuting your claim was right, and spread no misinformation.
        mlindner 4y ago
        I'll retract my opinion that "hate speech is down" as it's apparently difficult to measure but I am going to continue to say that "hate speech is up" is at the very least "highly misleading" as it gives the impression that the platform is worse for minorities than it was pre-acquisition. The reverse is the truth, given the lower impressions of hate speech, it effectively means that those that would verbally attack minorities are being highly squelched versus the situation before the acquisition. That's all around a good thing. The visibility of hate speech on twitter is down.
inpdx 4y ago
Many people have left, including myself, due to imperious, chaotic, and plain mean mismanagement. Thus making it vastly less interesting and more trollish.
Jare 4y ago
- People I follow have left. Most have moved to Mastodon so I can still follow them there. It's a constant trickle but some day the weight will be higher on Mastodon's side of the balance. - Ads range from obnoxious to downright scams. I know some people used to block ad senders as a matter of routine, but I didn't, most of the time they were valid and I was happy to support the site via their ads. After Musk, most ads vanished and for a while all I saw was Nintendo and SpaceX (!?) ads. Now there's many ads, but I block 95% of them because I REALLY do not want to ever again see the kind of shit they're pushing. - Search, and content outside of my carefully curated list of follows in my chronological timeline, has become complete hell. I used to be happy to search for "stuff that's happening" in Twitter rather than google or news sites, but now the stuff that comes out is not only irrelevant, but often disgusting. I still use the site but in a very specific and controlled manner. In that way, the experience is still good (bugs aside). I suspect at some point Musk will force some algorithmic crap down my throat and that will be the end.
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- fintechie 4y ago
  To be fair, many people don't seem to have these issues you mention. For FinTwit and CT (crypto twitter) it's business as usual. Maybe it happens for other niches though.
  - brewdad 4y ago
    If that's what's left on Twitter, I'm glad I no longer visit daily. If that's your thing, have at it.
- sanderjd 4y ago
  Yeah to me it's less that it's dead and more that it's clearly not sustainable without a new business model. Blue is a total flop, and you can tell from the ads they're running now that their ad revenue must be way down. And they needed to grow revenue significantly after the acquisition because of the debt structuring, but it seems like a certainty they've done the opposite. So it's not that it's dead today, but how long can they make it like this?
patrickmay 4y ago
Musk killed the APIs that enabled third party tools like TweetBot. Twitter is close to unusable now.
Fomite 4y ago
It's gutted several communities I'm a part of.

How is twitter ruined? My personal experience on the site has not changed much.

by hersko 4y ago

How is twitter ruined? My personal experience on the site has not changed much.

spaceman_2020 4y ago

Same. Except for the new “For You” tab, my feed is almost 100% the same.

PuppyTailWags 4y ago

Counter anecdote: my personal experience is that the site is less entertaining. I've encountered technical bugs more, such as replies not loading without refreshing multiple times. The "for you" page doesn't show me anything I want to see. The checkmark thing remains super confusing to me. The quality of the ads I've been served have noticeably decreased/gotten more skuzzy.

LastTrain 4y ago
> The quality of the ads I've been served have noticeably decreased/gotten more skuzzy. This is my experience as well, and is the thing the higher ups at Twitter should be really concerned about. Low rent.

capital_guy 4y ago

He keeps pushing the ‘for you’ page over the regular following tab that just shows tweets of people you follow The content moderation is basically nil now so tons of racist content is propagated throughout the network. Various technical bugs plaguing things - videos not playing, images not appearing, etc The verification system has been destroyed which has allowed fake accounts to run rampant The API has been wrecked, causing third party apps to stop working and massive amounts of research being done to be halted

mlindner 4y ago
All the data shows that racist content is down significantly following the purchase.
- aniforprez 4y ago
  That's very much not the case https://www.euronews.com/2023/03/20/antisemitism-higher-than-ever-on-twitter-finds-report https://www.euronews.com/2023/03/20/antisemitism-higher-than...
  - mlindner 4y ago
    Look at the details of that report. They're measuring by _number_ of tweets rather than impressions. Hate speech impressions are down. i.e. if you want hate speech you have to go out of your way to find it using bots. Normal users are seeing them less after the purchase. It's really tiring to counter so much misinformation about this that flies about. It's not just a one-time drop either, the impressions continues to go down. https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1613335965996810241 https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1613335965996810241
    - Omatic810 4y ago
      Here's the report, the claim had no misinformation. https://beamdisinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Antisemitism-on-Twitter-Before-and-After-Elon-Musks-Acquisition.pdf https://beamdisinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Antisemit... Hate speech IS up. The claim was "hate speech is up". Impressions being down matters to the impact of the speech, but the claim stands - hate speech is up. You can claim it doesn't matter (and I might agree with you, since impressions are down, people know what to expect now, and the increase is significant but not huge at this point), but you can't honestly say the claim "hate speech is up" is misinformation. Edit: Actually, I had the claim backwards - YOU said it was DOWN, and you were wrong (according to the report). So to correct myself - the person refuting your claim was right, and spread no misinformation.
      - mlindner 4y ago
        I'll retract my opinion that "hate speech is down" as it's apparently difficult to measure but I am going to continue to say that "hate speech is up" is at the very least "highly misleading" as it gives the impression that the platform is worse for minorities than it was pre-acquisition. The reverse is the truth, given the lower impressions of hate speech, it effectively means that those that would verbally attack minorities are being highly squelched versus the situation before the acquisition. That's all around a good thing. The visibility of hate speech on twitter is down.

inpdx 4y ago

Many people have left, including myself, due to imperious, chaotic, and plain mean mismanagement. Thus making it vastly less interesting and more trollish.

Jare 4y ago

- People I follow have left. Most have moved to Mastodon so I can still follow them there. It's a constant trickle but some day the weight will be higher on Mastodon's side of the balance. - Ads range from obnoxious to downright scams. I know some people used to block ad senders as a matter of routine, but I didn't, most of the time they were valid and I was happy to support the site via their ads. After Musk, most ads vanished and for a while all I saw was Nintendo and SpaceX (!?) ads. Now there's many ads, but I block 95% of them because I REALLY do not want to ever again see the kind of shit they're pushing. - Search, and content outside of my carefully curated list of follows in my chronological timeline, has become complete hell. I used to be happy to search for "stuff that's happening" in Twitter rather than google or news sites, but now the stuff that comes out is not only irrelevant, but often disgusting. I still use the site but in a very specific and controlled manner. In that way, the experience is still good (bugs aside). I suspect at some point Musk will force some algorithmic crap down my throat and that will be the end.

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fintechie 4y ago
To be fair, many people don't seem to have these issues you mention. For FinTwit and CT (crypto twitter) it's business as usual. Maybe it happens for other niches though.
- brewdad 4y ago
  If that's what's left on Twitter, I'm glad I no longer visit daily. If that's your thing, have at it.
sanderjd 4y ago
Yeah to me it's less that it's dead and more that it's clearly not sustainable without a new business model. Blue is a total flop, and you can tell from the ads they're running now that their ad revenue must be way down. And they needed to grow revenue significantly after the acquisition because of the debt structuring, but it seems like a certainty they've done the opposite. So it's not that it's dead today, but how long can they make it like this?

patrickmay 4y ago

Musk killed the APIs that enabled third party tools like TweetBot. Twitter is close to unusable now.

Fomite 4y ago

It's gutted several communities I'm a part of.