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I understand the civil liberties concerns, but you really want to treat severe mental illness as soon as possible. Earlier treatment is linked to better outcom

I understand the civil liberties concerns, but you really want to treat severe mental illness as soon as possible. Earlier treatment is linked to better outcomes, lower costs, and a significantly higher chance of being reintegrated into society as a whole.

luxuryballs 4y ago
And if they don’t want to be treated?
- woeirua 4y ago
  Not an option because severe mental illness affects us all. We already have a similar principle for other diseases that negatively affect others, e.g. tuberculosis.
  - giantg2 4y ago
    Those other diseases have definitive tests. Most mental disease diagnosis are based on opinion, which is more prone to mistakes, abuse, and finality. Going through the courts provides some level of safeguard at least.
- dionidium 4y ago
  We're not nihilists so we treat them anyway against their will. "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
  No questions asked, no strings attached treatment offered where they are is going to need to be a national reality before this is a meaningful concern. Back here in reality the real barriers to treatment are means testing, provider burnout, arbitrary rules, general inaccessibility, cost, scheduling conflicts, etc. people want to live better lives. Their definition of better may not reflect yours or others and we need to accept that if the only person that they’re hurting is themself. Anything less is more of this tired song and dance while real people suffer because rich pearl clutchers can’t handle gay trans drug users with face tattoos or whatever getting a cent of tax money so they won’t die preventable deaths.
johndevor 4y ago
Don't forget that the third world has 2x better outcomes with regards to schizophrenia. Probably due to the fact that they have more familial support and/or less reliant on meds. https://thecorrespondent.com/407/people-not-pills-what-the-west-can-learn-from-developing-countries-about-treating-mental-illness https://thecorrespondent.com/407/people-not-pills-what-the-w...

luxuryballs 4y ago

And if they don’t want to be treated?

woeirua 4y ago
Not an option because severe mental illness affects us all. We already have a similar principle for other diseases that negatively affect others, e.g. tuberculosis.
- giantg2 4y ago
  Those other diseases have definitive tests. Most mental disease diagnosis are based on opinion, which is more prone to mistakes, abuse, and finality. Going through the courts provides some level of safeguard at least.
dionidium 4y ago
We're not nihilists so we treat them anyway against their will. "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"
Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
No questions asked, no strings attached treatment offered where they are is going to need to be a national reality before this is a meaningful concern. Back here in reality the real barriers to treatment are means testing, provider burnout, arbitrary rules, general inaccessibility, cost, scheduling conflicts, etc. people want to live better lives. Their definition of better may not reflect yours or others and we need to accept that if the only person that they’re hurting is themself. Anything less is more of this tired song and dance while real people suffer because rich pearl clutchers can’t handle gay trans drug users with face tattoos or whatever getting a cent of tax money so they won’t die preventable deaths.

johndevor 4y ago

Don't forget that the third world has 2x better outcomes with regards to schizophrenia. Probably due to the fact that they have more familial support and/or less reliant on meds. https://thecorrespondent.com/407/people-not-pills-what-the-west-can-learn-from-developing-countries-about-treating-mental-illness https://thecorrespondent.com/407/people-not-pills-what-the-w...