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How do you know that 'most of us' feel that way? I definitely do want to live in such a society.

throwaway22032 4y ago
The rule of law, and non-elective incarceration for violent behaviour, are about as old as time itself. You can remove the laws if you like, societies will simply begin self-organizing around removing antisocial elements (or removing themselves from the situation e.g. downtown decay).
- habinero 4y ago
  I just want to point out that we have several people in this thread talking about the blatant tyranny of being asked to wear a small face covering... ...while simultaneously advocating for the state to imprison and forcibly medicate others. It's also interesting that you value "a nice downtown" more than "liberty".
  - throwaway22032 4y ago
    On the one hand, we have a perfectly functioning member of society being forced to wear a mask, when they don't even have a disease, for the sake of overly-anxious individuals. On the other, we have someone who might decide to live in a random place in a tent, shit in the street, swing bricks in socks around on the trains etc. I'm far more worried about the degenerates on my route from the train station than I ever was about coronavirus.
    - vkou 4y ago
      > I'm far more worried about the degenerates on my route from the train station than I ever was about coronavirus. And I'm personally far more worried about the 'degenerates' who might get my immunocompromised grandfather sick, than the people I meet on my way to the bus stop. You probably would be too, if you were sick, or lived in a 'better neighbourhood', or were better at analyzing long-tail risk[1]. Unlike the people refusing to vaccinate, he doesn't have a choice in his condition. He gets to live with the selfish, ignorant decisions made by others. [1] Contagious, preventable diseases maim and kill vastly more people every year than <mentally ill people who are refusing to take meds>[2], but for some reason, you're more scared of the latter than the former. [2] The solution to them is a pinprick, and sometimes a day of discomfort. The solution to mental illness is often a lifetime of meds that make you either want to crawl out of your skin, or feel utterly dead on the inside, or be completely disembodied, or just plain make you suicidal. There's a good reason people refuse medication for their issues. There's no good reason for why people refuse to get vaccinated.
      - throwaway22032 4y ago
        No-one is proposing that all mentally ill people (effectively all people) are forcibly medicated. Only those that are an acute danger to themselves and others, degrading the world around them on a non-statistical basis. The alternative is to imprison them. You are engaging in a strawman here.
    - habinero 4y ago
      Valuing a nice walk over human freedom, autonomy and dignity sure is an interesting choice for a person who claims to be moral.
      - throwaway22032 4y ago
        Dignity sure is an interesting choice of word to use to describe people who live under bridges.

throwaway22032 4y ago

The rule of law, and non-elective incarceration for violent behaviour, are about as old as time itself. You can remove the laws if you like, societies will simply begin self-organizing around removing antisocial elements (or removing themselves from the situation e.g. downtown decay).

habinero 4y ago
I just want to point out that we have several people in this thread talking about the blatant tyranny of being asked to wear a small face covering... ...while simultaneously advocating for the state to imprison and forcibly medicate others. It's also interesting that you value "a nice downtown" more than "liberty".
- throwaway22032 4y ago
  On the one hand, we have a perfectly functioning member of society being forced to wear a mask, when they don't even have a disease, for the sake of overly-anxious individuals. On the other, we have someone who might decide to live in a random place in a tent, shit in the street, swing bricks in socks around on the trains etc. I'm far more worried about the degenerates on my route from the train station than I ever was about coronavirus.
  - vkou 4y ago
    > I'm far more worried about the degenerates on my route from the train station than I ever was about coronavirus. And I'm personally far more worried about the 'degenerates' who might get my immunocompromised grandfather sick, than the people I meet on my way to the bus stop. You probably would be too, if you were sick, or lived in a 'better neighbourhood', or were better at analyzing long-tail risk[1]. Unlike the people refusing to vaccinate, he doesn't have a choice in his condition. He gets to live with the selfish, ignorant decisions made by others. [1] Contagious, preventable diseases maim and kill vastly more people every year than <mentally ill people who are refusing to take meds>[2], but for some reason, you're more scared of the latter than the former. [2] The solution to them is a pinprick, and sometimes a day of discomfort. The solution to mental illness is often a lifetime of meds that make you either want to crawl out of your skin, or feel utterly dead on the inside, or be completely disembodied, or just plain make you suicidal. There's a good reason people refuse medication for their issues. There's no good reason for why people refuse to get vaccinated.
    - throwaway22032 4y ago
      No-one is proposing that all mentally ill people (effectively all people) are forcibly medicated. Only those that are an acute danger to themselves and others, degrading the world around them on a non-statistical basis. The alternative is to imprison them. You are engaging in a strawman here.
  - habinero 4y ago
    Valuing a nice walk over human freedom, autonomy and dignity sure is an interesting choice for a person who claims to be moral.
    - throwaway22032 4y ago
      Dignity sure is an interesting choice of word to use to describe people who live under bridges.