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Excellent observation. What your parent is describing is basically cognitive psychology, a healthy science making plenty of new observations, conceiving new mod

Excellent observation. What your parent is describing is basically cognitive psychology, a healthy science making plenty of new observations, conceiving new models which predict behavior better and better, models that are than used in other fields, or inspire new science (particularly in neuropsychology). Cognitive psychologists don’t use IQ (nor intelligence for that matter) in their models. Psychologists that do use IQ are doing so in scientific isolation (which is a red flag) and are stuck with the same models that were created in the 1970s, a sign of a dying field.

sfblah 4y ago
I mean, just google `cognitive psychology iq` and you'll see that's false. It is used when folks can "get away with it." The issue isn't that there's some principled rejection of intelligence testing. It's that western elites have found it convenient to advance the alternate theory that differential outcomes are because of systemic oppression.
- runarberg 4y ago
  I have, and I’m actually the one that suggested it earlier (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35542972 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35542972). Of course people invested in IQ will continue to research it while there is funding available. So whomever is conspiring to silence IQ research isn’t doing a good job since IQ research keeps being funded, and IQ research keeps being published (including in the article the OP links to). Cognitive scientists of course read some of these studies, and respond with new studies, most of them don’t use IQ and are able to predict behavior just as well, and if not better. Some of them even compare models with IQ to models without IQ, almost always does the one without IQ perform better (sources below). That is what I mean when I say cognitive psychologists don’t use IQ. * van der Maas, H. L. J., Molenaar, D., Maris, G., Kievit, R. A., & Borsboom, D. (2011). Cognitive psychology meets psychometric theory: On the relation between process models for decision making and latent variable models for individual differences. Psychological Review 118(2):339-56 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/50393518_Cognitive_Psychology_Meets_Psychometric_Theory_On_the_Relation_Between_Process_Models_for_Decision_Making_and_Latent_Variable_Models_for_Individual_Differences https://www.researchgate.net/publication/50393518_Cognitive_... * van IJzendoorn, M. H., Juffer, F., & Poelhuis, C. W. K. (2005). Adoption and Cognitive Development: A Meta-Analytic Comparison of Adopted and Nonadopted Children's IQ and School Performance. Psychological Bulletin, 131(2), 301–316. https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.131.2.301 https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.131.2.301 * Ritchie, S. J., Bates, T. C., & Deary, I. J. (2015). Is education associated with improvements in general cognitive ability, or in specific skills? Developmental Psychology, 51(5), 573–582. https://doi.org/10.1037/a0038981 https://doi.org/10.1037/a0038981 * Dennis, M., Francis, D., Cirno, P., Schachar, R., Barnes, M., & Fletcher, J. (2009). Why IQ is not a covariate in cognitive studies of neurodevelopmental disorders. Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, 15(3), 331-343. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-the-international-neuropsychological-society/article/abs/why-iq-is-not-a-covariate-in-cognitive-studies-of-neurodevelopmental-disorders/2327A3514AFC09E32B736071B9399972 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-the-inter...

sfblah 4y ago

I mean, just google `cognitive psychology iq` and you'll see that's false. It is used when folks can "get away with it." The issue isn't that there's some principled rejection of intelligence testing. It's that western elites have found it convenient to advance the alternate theory that differential outcomes are because of systemic oppression.

runarberg 4y ago
I have, and I’m actually the one that suggested it earlier (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35542972 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35542972). Of course people invested in IQ will continue to research it while there is funding available. So whomever is conspiring to silence IQ research isn’t doing a good job since IQ research keeps being funded, and IQ research keeps being published (including in the article the OP links to). Cognitive scientists of course read some of these studies, and respond with new studies, most of them don’t use IQ and are able to predict behavior just as well, and if not better. Some of them even compare models with IQ to models without IQ, almost always does the one without IQ perform better (sources below). That is what I mean when I say cognitive psychologists don’t use IQ. * van der Maas, H. L. J., Molenaar, D., Maris, G., Kievit, R. A., & Borsboom, D. (2011). Cognitive psychology meets psychometric theory: On the relation between process models for decision making and latent variable models for individual differences. Psychological Review 118(2):339-56 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/50393518_Cognitive_Psychology_Meets_Psychometric_Theory_On_the_Relation_Between_Process_Models_for_Decision_Making_and_Latent_Variable_Models_for_Individual_Differences https://www.researchgate.net/publication/50393518_Cognitive_... * van IJzendoorn, M. H., Juffer, F., & Poelhuis, C. W. K. (2005). Adoption and Cognitive Development: A Meta-Analytic Comparison of Adopted and Nonadopted Children's IQ and School Performance. Psychological Bulletin, 131(2), 301–316. https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.131.2.301 https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-2909.131.2.301 * Ritchie, S. J., Bates, T. C., & Deary, I. J. (2015). Is education associated with improvements in general cognitive ability, or in specific skills? Developmental Psychology, 51(5), 573–582. https://doi.org/10.1037/a0038981 https://doi.org/10.1037/a0038981 * Dennis, M., Francis, D., Cirno, P., Schachar, R., Barnes, M., & Fletcher, J. (2009). Why IQ is not a covariate in cognitive studies of neurodevelopmental disorders. Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, 15(3), 331-343. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-the-international-neuropsychological-society/article/abs/why-iq-is-not-a-covariate-in-cognitive-studies-of-neurodevelopmental-disorders/2327A3514AFC09E32B736071B9399972 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-the-inter...