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This genre of article is starting to get to me. It seems like we can either try to address climate change through carbon emissions by changing our relationship
by c0nfused 3y ago
This genre of article is starting to get to me.
It seems like we can either try to address climate change through carbon emissions by changing our relationship with cars or we can ensure nothing changes and ensure that by the time my kids are my age that the world is a fundementally worse place.
If the casualty is old parking garages, it seems like a fair deal
Edit: it's been a few years since I looked at the numbers but any conversation about ev fires is statistically FUD. Full stop
- mock-possum 3y agoRight? Like - we might have to replace old parking structures oh nooooo
- mcdonje 3y agoA solution to transportation related climate change, traffic, and parking infrastructure is trains. The scenario isn't EVs or nothing.
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- ndsipa_pomu 3y agoElectric cars were invented to save the motor industry, not the planet. What we need to do is to get as many people using active travel as possible, and recognise that electric bikes and electric scooters solve almost all the issues with EVs. They're much lighter than ICE vehhicles, don't cause congestion and with removable batteries, don't have any problem with finding charging points. Also, with removable batteries, it's possible to just swap in a fully charged battery - makes sense for delivery companies that have a fleet of riders on e-scooters.
- frumper 3y agoUnfortunately solving almost all of the problems isn't good enough. Electric bikes and scooters don't solve the problem of getting to work in a reasonable amount of time.
- ndsipa_pomu 3y agoYour fallacy there is letting perfect be the enemy of good. E-bikes and e-scooters are sufficient to transport a sizable percentage of the working population in less time that it would take a typical car, and the benefit is that every journey that they don't make in a car reduces congestion for everybody else as well as substantially less pollution. I would consider that the main failing of the personal motor car is that people try to use it for everything and design roads/cities around it. However, that doesn't work when the population density increases as more and more roads need to be built which then separates the businesses and houses even more which then requires yet more roads. Rinse and repeat until you have people sat in traffic queues just in an attempt to commute to work.
- frumper 3y agoYour fallacy is assuming that the e-bike is a "good" solution for me. I'm not even suggesting perfect, it's so far outside of realistic that it isn't a viable solution. According to Google Maps, each way of my commute is 47 minutes in car vs 4.5 hours on a bike.
- ndsipa_pomu 3y agoIt's not particularly relevant whether e-bikes are suitable for one person (i.e. you), but whether they are suitable for a lot of people in and around cities where the biggest issues with congestion and pollution are. The problem is that if people only think in terms of the car form-factor, then congestion is not going to be improved and pollution from tyres is going to be almost as bad as the ICE vehicles that get replaced. Of course there's also the resource usage of cars in terms of building them and requiring lots more energy to shift them around due to their weight.
- frumper 3y agoI replied to >recognise that electric bikes and electric scooters solve almost all the issues with EVs and you are coming back with that it's not relevant whether they are suitable for me, but I'm saying it's quite relevant to me. I'm also not alone as everyone I know could by an e-bike, yet almost all of them still choose to buy cars. People are voting with their dollar and it seems to be a clear decision that e-bikes aren't a solution for them.
- corbulo 3y agoEVs don't help global emissions. They centralize them to power plants and mining. Its debatable whether its net better than ICE for global emissions.