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Which are hard or stressful to get qualified for if you have your mental abilities with you, and you might not qualify for any of it (CHIP is for children, isn'

Which are hard or stressful to get qualified for if you have your mental abilities with you, and you might not qualify for any of it (CHIP is for children, isn't it?). They can be almost impossible if you don't, and it isn't like someone is going to walk you through it. And most of these programs aren't going to do anything if you aren't already in crisis mode - disability might be the biggest offender here. You have a 24 month wait for medicare at that point, nevermind that you are obviously out of work at that point. You might qualify for medicaid, sure, but might not. And to be fair, most of my knowledge on this is personal: My ex was on disability for mental illness. I don't know how well he got along after we split.

giantg2 4y ago
"and you might not qualify for any of it (CHIP is for children, isn't it?)." Which is why I said depending on the circumstances. "They can be almost impossible if you don't," The example give was glaucoma, so I was speaking to that. If one has mental issues, they could use an advocate (friend, family, or charity). If their impairment is too severe for that, they could have a guardian created by the court (still room for abuse here, but less so than acting without the extra step of a court). "and it isn't like someone is going to walk you through it." There are charities that do this very thing. Much of my knowledge also comes from personal experiences. The real point of discussion on this topic is somewhat hidden. The question is at what point should someone be considered a ward of the state - where they no longer have the capacity to decide things for themselves, and what restrictions the state should place on them (institutionalization, vs outpatient treatment, etc).
- zdragnar 4y ago
  Depending on the state, there are social workers whose sole job is to reach out to and guide homeless people towards these and other programs. The experience related to me by one of these people is that the mentally ill homeless tend to not trust social workers, believing (wrongly) that they'll be institutionalized if they accept any help at all. The sad result is that they only way many of these people will get any health care is if they are, in fact, institutionalized, because they refuse every other effort to get it.

giantg2 4y ago

"and you might not qualify for any of it (CHIP is for children, isn't it?)." Which is why I said depending on the circumstances. "They can be almost impossible if you don't," The example give was glaucoma, so I was speaking to that. If one has mental issues, they could use an advocate (friend, family, or charity). If their impairment is too severe for that, they could have a guardian created by the court (still room for abuse here, but less so than acting without the extra step of a court). "and it isn't like someone is going to walk you through it." There are charities that do this very thing. Much of my knowledge also comes from personal experiences. The real point of discussion on this topic is somewhat hidden. The question is at what point should someone be considered a ward of the state - where they no longer have the capacity to decide things for themselves, and what restrictions the state should place on them (institutionalization, vs outpatient treatment, etc).

zdragnar 4y ago
Depending on the state, there are social workers whose sole job is to reach out to and guide homeless people towards these and other programs. The experience related to me by one of these people is that the mentally ill homeless tend to not trust social workers, believing (wrongly) that they'll be institutionalized if they accept any help at all. The sad result is that they only way many of these people will get any health care is if they are, in fact, institutionalized, because they refuse every other effort to get it.