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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash_Jr https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash_Jr. I would argue quite High IQ, still got nowhere regarding n

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash_Jr https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash_Jr. I would argue quite High IQ, still got nowhere regarding normal life due to the problem most of his adult life. Was kept on campus out of respect for his archivements. Finally returned to a state of being able to use his IQ with high age. The intelligence can do nothing once the hardware goes, except weave more elaborate conspiracies and paranoid fantasys.

tokai 3y ago
I don't get your point. Nash outcome was very very good. He stayed out of hospitals and didn't take his medicine, after his initial stints with hospitalisation. >The intelligence can do nothing once the hardware goes, except weave more elaborate conspiracies and paranoid fantasys Why do you write this when I post evidence of the opposite? Do at least have some kind of backing to your statement.
- qikInNdOutReply 3y ago
  Nashes work declined greatly with the full onset of the sickness and never fully recovered.
  - tokai 3y ago
    That your only work declined is a very good outcome for an illness with as bad outcomes as schizophrenia. Like if you shattered both your legs, but ended up walking again while not able to compete in the olympics 100 meter sprint, would be a good outcome.
- PurpleRamen 3y ago
  The linked german wikipedia descibe Nash's illness quite different from the english wikipedia. With the german article being less specific about the illness and outcome. Though, both are somewhat clear that the illness took him 20+ years of his life, which might be not a good proof for high IQ helps with mental illness.
  - tokai 3y ago
    I wouldn't know, the link is dead. edit: No his outcome was good. He didn't die from it, he didn't spend his life locked up. It's absolutely ridiculous to argue the effect of IQ on outcomes from this one example tho. I posted several studies, that between them cites numerous studies, all based on data collected on 1000s of persons. A German wiki articles angle on Nash's illness is seriously a waste of everyone's time.
    - PurpleRamen 3y ago
      The url has a dot at the end, which is missing in the link.
retrac 3y ago
Schizophrenia is not an all or nothing. It's not like one resistor fries and suddenly they're hearing voices completely indistinguishable from reality. Some people have partial or even significant insight into their illness. That is to say, they are aware and appreciate that their thinking is disordered, or that the voices are actually internal, and they have coping methods. Some methods of coping like reality testing seem like they can be taught, and it does seem likely to me that having a lot of general intelligence would make such a thing more effective.
- kayodelycaon 3y ago
  From my experience (and those on a bipolar discord server) coping mechanisms can definitely be taught. Most of them are rather simple in concept but almost all of them are absolutely exhausting to use. Trying to work full time while using coping mechanisms had me sitting in a chair, unable to function, after 5pm. I serious started to ask myself if living was worth living if that was all there was to it.

tokai 3y ago

I don't get your point. Nash outcome was very very good. He stayed out of hospitals and didn't take his medicine, after his initial stints with hospitalisation. >The intelligence can do nothing once the hardware goes, except weave more elaborate conspiracies and paranoid fantasys Why do you write this when I post evidence of the opposite? Do at least have some kind of backing to your statement.

qikInNdOutReply 3y ago
Nashes work declined greatly with the full onset of the sickness and never fully recovered.
- tokai 3y ago
  That your only work declined is a very good outcome for an illness with as bad outcomes as schizophrenia. Like if you shattered both your legs, but ended up walking again while not able to compete in the olympics 100 meter sprint, would be a good outcome.
PurpleRamen 3y ago
The linked german wikipedia descibe Nash's illness quite different from the english wikipedia. With the german article being less specific about the illness and outcome. Though, both are somewhat clear that the illness took him 20+ years of his life, which might be not a good proof for high IQ helps with mental illness.
- tokai 3y ago
  I wouldn't know, the link is dead. edit: No his outcome was good. He didn't die from it, he didn't spend his life locked up. It's absolutely ridiculous to argue the effect of IQ on outcomes from this one example tho. I posted several studies, that between them cites numerous studies, all based on data collected on 1000s of persons. A German wiki articles angle on Nash's illness is seriously a waste of everyone's time.
  - PurpleRamen 3y ago
    The url has a dot at the end, which is missing in the link.

retrac 3y ago

Schizophrenia is not an all or nothing. It's not like one resistor fries and suddenly they're hearing voices completely indistinguishable from reality. Some people have partial or even significant insight into their illness. That is to say, they are aware and appreciate that their thinking is disordered, or that the voices are actually internal, and they have coping methods. Some methods of coping like reality testing seem like they can be taught, and it does seem likely to me that having a lot of general intelligence would make such a thing more effective.

kayodelycaon 3y ago
From my experience (and those on a bipolar discord server) coping mechanisms can definitely be taught. Most of them are rather simple in concept but almost all of them are absolutely exhausting to use. Trying to work full time while using coping mechanisms had me sitting in a chair, unable to function, after 5pm. I serious started to ask myself if living was worth living if that was all there was to it.