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> Then they can take full control of the FSF, already they have their hands in it. This is neither good nor bad, so I'm not sure why your whole point seemingly

> Then they can take full control of the FSF, already they have their hands in it. This is neither good nor bad, so I'm not sure why your whole point seemingly is based on it. Corporations will act in their own self-interests just like everyone else. There are examples of where corporations worked together and it turned out well for all and examples of the opposite happening, so I'm not sure why this is necessarily framed in such a negative way. EDIT: consider the Linux Foundation. They combine private and corporate interests fairly well, with no corporate capture, and they are succeeding in ways the FSF never has.

richbell 3y ago
> Corporations will act in their own self-interests just like everyone else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
- brodouevencode 3y ago
  If the foundation is set up to allow this, then that's a fault of the structure of the foundation.
  - richbell 3y ago
    > If the foundation is set up to allow this, then that's a fault of the structure of the foundation. "If I'm able to exploit you, it's your fault" is a strange take. Just because something isn't expressly forbidden doesn't make it ethical or moral.
    - brodouevencode 3y ago
      The same take applies to individuals too, which basically nullifies your argument.
      - richbell 3y ago
        > The same take applies to individuals too, which basically nullifies your argument. This in no way nullifies my argument.
throwbadubadu 3y ago
If you don't see why it doesn't fit here not sure what could be done to help it :( Its full bad.
einpoklum 3y ago
> Corporations will act in their own self-interests just like everyone else. Corporations are not part of "everybody", except in insane US law which recognizes corporate "personhood". In other words: A corporation is not just like, or even remotely like, anybody.
- brodouevencode 3y ago
  You made that association, not me. Corporations will act in the interests of the corporation - there is no argument here. A well-run foundation that would benefit from corporate help doesn't necessarily have to bend to the whims of the corporation. The Linux Foundation is a good example of where private/corporate partnerships are done much better.

richbell 3y ago

> Corporations will act in their own self-interests just like everyone else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

brodouevencode 3y ago
If the foundation is set up to allow this, then that's a fault of the structure of the foundation.
- richbell 3y ago
  > If the foundation is set up to allow this, then that's a fault of the structure of the foundation. "If I'm able to exploit you, it's your fault" is a strange take. Just because something isn't expressly forbidden doesn't make it ethical or moral.
  - brodouevencode 3y ago
    The same take applies to individuals too, which basically nullifies your argument.
    - richbell 3y ago
      > The same take applies to individuals too, which basically nullifies your argument. This in no way nullifies my argument.

throwbadubadu 3y ago

If you don't see why it doesn't fit here not sure what could be done to help it :( Its full bad.

einpoklum 3y ago

> Corporations will act in their own self-interests just like everyone else. Corporations are not part of "everybody", except in insane US law which recognizes corporate "personhood". In other words: A corporation is not just like, or even remotely like, anybody.

brodouevencode 3y ago
You made that association, not me. Corporations will act in the interests of the corporation - there is no argument here. A well-run foundation that would benefit from corporate help doesn't necessarily have to bend to the whims of the corporation. The Linux Foundation is a good example of where private/corporate partnerships are done much better.