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> For a $1T org like Amazon, these are distractions. Until it creates enough bad press that it does move the dial. That might sound unlikely but it can be dea

> For a $1T org like Amazon, these are distractions. Until it creates enough bad press that it does move the dial. That might sound unlikely but it can be death by 1000 cuts. I believe the groundswell of dislike for Google among the tech literate had it's roots in the Reader shutdown. The tech literate advise friends and family - so their influence is higher than the raw numbers suggest. You can burn good will but it's very difficult to get it back. Amazon are being criticized from multiple angles and it all adds up.

sneak 4y ago
> I believe the groundswell of dislike for Google among the tech literate had it's roots in the Reader shutdown. I disagree. I believe it was the "SSL added and removed here" NSA slide that showed that nothing stored with cloud providers is safe from government snooping without a warrant. It's not so much directed at Google as it is everything that is big enough to be on the tip of the surveillance state's tongue. Nothing we store non-e2ee in the big public cloud services is safe from illegal warrantless wiretapping. It's not strictly Google's fault per se.
- slaw 4y ago
  I don't think people care that much about privacy. Google started to encrypt traffic between data centers in 2013. Nobody cared.
  - tsujamin 4y ago
    It’s not as if their network architecture or threat models were put on billboards prior to that..
    - slaw 4y ago
      It was on white hat conference in 2004. For 9 years nobody cared.
iLoveOncall 4y ago
> I believe the groundswell of dislike for Google among the tech literate You are in an echo-chamber. There isn't much negative opinion of Google, Paypal, Stripe and other companies hated by HN commenters outside of HN, even in technical communities.
- b3lvedere 4y ago
  I think the average consumer does not know and/or does not (have the time to) care about it. It's almost impossible for an average consumer to own a device where some huge corporation does not have its influences. Just like it is almost impossible not to use any Unilever product.
- anoncow 4y ago
  The echo chamber can have an external impact at (sometimes) crucial times. For e.g. There can be a future scenario where Google struggles with its search business and other companies/general public do not invest in a new Google product just because people from this echo chamber advise them not to and highlight Google’s poor reputation in handling non-search products.
- frognumber 4y ago
  Microsoft's stock price from 2000 to 2014 flat-lined. I believe much of that was due to Microsoft hatred. The tactics worked well when Microsoft had no real competition, and crushed fledgling competition early. As soon as there was an alternative, everyone piled on. There was an army trying to passively-aggressively harm Microsoft in everything it did, and it mattered. If there was ever a gray area where Microsoft wasn't the obvious choice, people decided the opposite way. Google is gradually becoming the next Microsoft. It's not even dislike, so much as well-founded distrust. Each time I've done business with Google, I came out behind for it at the end, because I was treated as a statistic. Google would gladly take out my business for their convenience if it didn't impact their bottom line. It wasn't malicious, like Microsoft, but just apathetic. At this point, it's left behind enough victims among decision-makers that GCP is permanently kneecapped in the race with AWS, Azure, etc.
  - 4y ago

sneak 4y ago

> I believe the groundswell of dislike for Google among the tech literate had it's roots in the Reader shutdown. I disagree. I believe it was the "SSL added and removed here" NSA slide that showed that nothing stored with cloud providers is safe from government snooping without a warrant. It's not so much directed at Google as it is everything that is big enough to be on the tip of the surveillance state's tongue. Nothing we store non-e2ee in the big public cloud services is safe from illegal warrantless wiretapping. It's not strictly Google's fault per se.

slaw 4y ago
I don't think people care that much about privacy. Google started to encrypt traffic between data centers in 2013. Nobody cared.
- tsujamin 4y ago
  It’s not as if their network architecture or threat models were put on billboards prior to that..
  - slaw 4y ago
    It was on white hat conference in 2004. For 9 years nobody cared.

iLoveOncall 4y ago

> I believe the groundswell of dislike for Google among the tech literate You are in an echo-chamber. There isn't much negative opinion of Google, Paypal, Stripe and other companies hated by HN commenters outside of HN, even in technical communities.

b3lvedere 4y ago
I think the average consumer does not know and/or does not (have the time to) care about it. It's almost impossible for an average consumer to own a device where some huge corporation does not have its influences. Just like it is almost impossible not to use any Unilever product.
anoncow 4y ago
The echo chamber can have an external impact at (sometimes) crucial times. For e.g. There can be a future scenario where Google struggles with its search business and other companies/general public do not invest in a new Google product just because people from this echo chamber advise them not to and highlight Google’s poor reputation in handling non-search products.
frognumber 4y ago
Microsoft's stock price from 2000 to 2014 flat-lined. I believe much of that was due to Microsoft hatred. The tactics worked well when Microsoft had no real competition, and crushed fledgling competition early. As soon as there was an alternative, everyone piled on. There was an army trying to passively-aggressively harm Microsoft in everything it did, and it mattered. If there was ever a gray area where Microsoft wasn't the obvious choice, people decided the opposite way. Google is gradually becoming the next Microsoft. It's not even dislike, so much as well-founded distrust. Each time I've done business with Google, I came out behind for it at the end, because I was treated as a statistic. Google would gladly take out my business for their convenience if it didn't impact their bottom line. It wasn't malicious, like Microsoft, but just apathetic. At this point, it's left behind enough victims among decision-makers that GCP is permanently kneecapped in the race with AWS, Azure, etc.
- 4y ago