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It is like linux if Canonical never happened, so like linux 20 years ago. The ports system is nice. FreeBSD is my fallback in case Patrick gives in to the chang

It is like linux if Canonical never happened, so like linux 20 years ago. The ports system is nice. FreeBSD is my fallback in case Patrick gives in to the changing linux world and I have to abandon Slackware or start learning OS stuff again. Biggest thing to know about it as a desktop, drivers get into the kernel much slower than with linux and some never get in, so like linux was 20 years ago.

blackhaz 4y ago
OMG - this is so true. Home sweet home. A few additional points: - The hard separation between the base OS and user-installed packages that go in /usr/local - you can wipe the /usr/local and get back to the pristine state. Things don't get mixed. - Better documentation, better man pages. Whenever I log in to a Linux distro it feels like things are all in the wrong places. Hardware support is bad though, I wish hardware vendors would open source their drivers.
ken666 4y ago
Have a look at void Linux. I was a long time freebsd user until I really needed some proprietary software (zoom) in the pandemic. Switched to void and it is the same freebsd feeling, but with much better hardware support. And with my beloved ZFS!
- SSLy 4y ago
  Or, just, arch.
  - chongli 4y ago
    I used Arch for a number of years before switching to a Mac when I went back to school. At some point I may go back to Linux or FreeBSD (I've used both!) but I'll never go back to rolling releases. The whole reason I switched to Mac was that I got tired of things breaking constantly due to the never-ending updates. And if you put things off then you end up getting a whole lot of breakage all at once. No, I would prefer taking things slow and getting tested releases way less often. I have no need to be on the bleeding edge of everything.
    - doubled112 4y ago
      This is why I run Debian everywhere. Even my desktops. My hardware is usually a little older anyway, so the latest stable release is good enough. Flatpaks are finally to a point where if I need up to date apps I can just install it from Flathub.
    - sph 4y ago
      The only sane Linux setup for a workstation is an immutable distro like Silverblue/Kinoite, and an Arch Linux toolbox (or any distro you prefer). I will die on this hill, and whoever disagrees has never tried what honestly feels like the future. My Linux PC is as stable and reproducible as my iPhone. One day I will finish my Fedora Silverblue master guide that has been a draft for months... (No, sorry, NixOS ain't better.)
      - phaer 4y ago
        NixOS is "better" in the sense that you can get pretty close to something like Silverblue with it if you tinker around. But I agree with you that for the average user Silverblue surely is the the better platform, NixOS is for people how like to hack around and customize their environment.
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - chongli 4y ago
        immutable distro like Silverblue I had never even heard these before! This sounds exactly like what I want! One day I will finish my Fedora Silverblue master guide that has been a draft for months... I would love to read it!
      - bionsystem 4y ago
        I can't figure out a decent workflow for Kinoite. It's probably a little bit too much work for me to change my habits right here right now. But I agree that this is a great setup and ultimately, what I want to aim to. Complete separation of user and OS, containerized apps everywhere, and so forth. But my quick trial of a few hours was too short to adapt. Also I love excel too much unfortunately.
- 5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
  I believe it runs fine in any browser with WebRTC support.
  - hestefisk 4y ago
    Assuming you have a good webcam?
  - VagueMag 4y ago
    Been using the webcam with my FreeBSD desktop for job interviews over the past couple of months. Unfortunately Zoom eats up a ton of CPU and then crashes when I open it in a browser tab, and there isn't a packaged binary that I've given a try yet. On Google Meet the browser also doesn't support blurring out the background. So, while it's not totally broken or anything, I don't rely on it for important video meetings.
pjmlp 4y ago
Like UNIX you mean.
simion314 4y ago
>It is like linux if Canonical never happened, Really? from what I read BSD complaints they hate RedHat related stuff like systemd and GNOME code was Linux only for w hile, not sure if this was fixed in GJPME or downstream.
- ofalkaed 4y ago
  Canonical adopting systemd is what made it a standard, community went from being very divided on systemd to resigned and accepting it almost overnight after Canonical announced they were going systemd. This is a fairly common trend, they have a fair amount of influence although that seems to be waning after their push for snap.
  - thecosmicfrog 4y ago
    Canonical only settled on systemd when Debian decided to adopt it, though.
    - slackfan 4y ago
      That is nice historical revisionism, considering Canonical was all in on upstart.
      - veidr 4y ago
        No, the parent you are replying to meant that Canonical only gave up on upstart and accepted defeat (and thus went with systemd) when Debian made that decision.
        thecosmicfrog 4y ago
        Correct - that was what I meant. I remember the init system debates all too well.
      - simion314 4y ago
        Dude, that is historical true, Upstart was there before systemd , Redhat used upstart too. Then an RH dev created systemd and Arch,Fedora,Debian moved to systemd , Ubuntu followed Debian decision since Ubuntu is based on Debian and they share maintainers/developers.
yamtaddle 4y ago
> Canonical Canonical/Red Hat. The changes have largely been the two of them warring for control of key projects, such that other distros are forced to fall in line and become second-class to theirs (why risk the knock-off when you can go straight to the source?). Red Hat's won every one of these battles so far.

blackhaz 4y ago

OMG - this is so true. Home sweet home. A few additional points: - The hard separation between the base OS and user-installed packages that go in /usr/local - you can wipe the /usr/local and get back to the pristine state. Things don't get mixed. - Better documentation, better man pages. Whenever I log in to a Linux distro it feels like things are all in the wrong places. Hardware support is bad though, I wish hardware vendors would open source their drivers.

ken666 4y ago

Have a look at void Linux. I was a long time freebsd user until I really needed some proprietary software (zoom) in the pandemic. Switched to void and it is the same freebsd feeling, but with much better hardware support. And with my beloved ZFS!

SSLy 4y ago
Or, just, arch.
- chongli 4y ago
  I used Arch for a number of years before switching to a Mac when I went back to school. At some point I may go back to Linux or FreeBSD (I've used both!) but I'll never go back to rolling releases. The whole reason I switched to Mac was that I got tired of things breaking constantly due to the never-ending updates. And if you put things off then you end up getting a whole lot of breakage all at once. No, I would prefer taking things slow and getting tested releases way less often. I have no need to be on the bleeding edge of everything.
  - doubled112 4y ago
    This is why I run Debian everywhere. Even my desktops. My hardware is usually a little older anyway, so the latest stable release is good enough. Flatpaks are finally to a point where if I need up to date apps I can just install it from Flathub.
  - sph 4y ago
    The only sane Linux setup for a workstation is an immutable distro like Silverblue/Kinoite, and an Arch Linux toolbox (or any distro you prefer). I will die on this hill, and whoever disagrees has never tried what honestly feels like the future. My Linux PC is as stable and reproducible as my iPhone. One day I will finish my Fedora Silverblue master guide that has been a draft for months... (No, sorry, NixOS ain't better.)
    - phaer 4y ago
      NixOS is "better" in the sense that you can get pretty close to something like Silverblue with it if you tinker around. But I agree with you that for the average user Silverblue surely is the the better platform, NixOS is for people how like to hack around and customize their environment.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - chongli 4y ago
      immutable distro like Silverblue I had never even heard these before! This sounds exactly like what I want! One day I will finish my Fedora Silverblue master guide that has been a draft for months... I would love to read it!
    - bionsystem 4y ago
      I can't figure out a decent workflow for Kinoite. It's probably a little bit too much work for me to change my habits right here right now. But I agree that this is a great setup and ultimately, what I want to aim to. Complete separation of user and OS, containerized apps everywhere, and so forth. But my quick trial of a few hours was too short to adapt. Also I love excel too much unfortunately.
5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
I believe it runs fine in any browser with WebRTC support.
- hestefisk 4y ago
  Assuming you have a good webcam?
- VagueMag 4y ago
  Been using the webcam with my FreeBSD desktop for job interviews over the past couple of months. Unfortunately Zoom eats up a ton of CPU and then crashes when I open it in a browser tab, and there isn't a packaged binary that I've given a try yet. On Google Meet the browser also doesn't support blurring out the background. So, while it's not totally broken or anything, I don't rely on it for important video meetings.

pjmlp 4y ago

Like UNIX you mean.

simion314 4y ago

>It is like linux if Canonical never happened, Really? from what I read BSD complaints they hate RedHat related stuff like systemd and GNOME code was Linux only for w hile, not sure if this was fixed in GJPME or downstream.

ofalkaed 4y ago
Canonical adopting systemd is what made it a standard, community went from being very divided on systemd to resigned and accepting it almost overnight after Canonical announced they were going systemd. This is a fairly common trend, they have a fair amount of influence although that seems to be waning after their push for snap.
- thecosmicfrog 4y ago
  Canonical only settled on systemd when Debian decided to adopt it, though.
  - slackfan 4y ago
    That is nice historical revisionism, considering Canonical was all in on upstart.
    - veidr 4y ago
      No, the parent you are replying to meant that Canonical only gave up on upstart and accepted defeat (and thus went with systemd) when Debian made that decision.
      - thecosmicfrog 4y ago
        Correct - that was what I meant. I remember the init system debates all too well.
    - simion314 4y ago
      Dude, that is historical true, Upstart was there before systemd , Redhat used upstart too. Then an RH dev created systemd and Arch,Fedora,Debian moved to systemd , Ubuntu followed Debian decision since Ubuntu is based on Debian and they share maintainers/developers.

yamtaddle 4y ago

> Canonical Canonical/Red Hat. The changes have largely been the two of them warring for control of key projects, such that other distros are forced to fall in line and become second-class to theirs (why risk the knock-off when you can go straight to the source?). Red Hat's won every one of these battles so far.